one less amt v ser 1916

yeh luck v the round did what they advertise it destroyed my gun !

Thanks Steve for your reply and PM.

Thank God you didn't got hurt!

When I saw the label on the ammo, I thought is was to funny after I read your story here, didn't want to make fun of You though...

 

I really have my doubts about the magsafe ammo, such a light bullet for a 50AE is unusual and my guess is they use fast burning powder to push it...

 

BTW, I stopped using IMI (Samson) factory ammunition in the AMT V, because those where also hot loaded.

 

I don't think the mith busters can do much with your gun anymore sorry...

 

 

Luc,

XP001,

Just my opinion on the .50 Samson ammo, (the black/gold boxes):

I'm not saying they are "overloaded" just saying I found them "to hot" for the AMT V.

I'll try to explain: If I shot those in my V, the recoil was sort of snappy, quick, fast and agressive. Not the same as the push, shove, kick or hit by a mule sort of recoil I had from shooting the desert Eagle.50

It's hard to find the right words to discribe the feel of recoil, but I hope you understand what I'm saying...

 

When I shot my (also brandnew) V with the samson ammo, I  got many malfunctions in extraction, and feeding. Many times the extractor just took a bite out of the case rim.  

At the end even the ejector broke off at maximum 150 rounds fired.

That was the point I quit using that ammo in the V. I started to reload for this pistol, and with a milder load the extraction-feeding problems where all gone. It works as it should by using a "somewhat softer" load.

That's just MY story about the Samson ammo, and why I think they are to hot for the V, that's all.

 

 

Back to the Original poster's problem, the first thing I noticed was that the damage is done in the foreward direction. I mean the explosion start at the casehead, blowing the parts to the front. Away from the shooter.

In a stuck bullet-in-bore, the barrel splits more as front to back banana. Towards the shooter.

 

This is why I guessed that a fast burning powder was used. Nothing wrong with that, it's just that things "can" go wrong much faster as with slowburning powder. Sort of more room for error thing.

A simple push back of the bullet (deeper into the case) when the cartridge feeds into the chamber will raise the pressure very fast! When the ammo was loaded close to max. pressure, you will soon be over the top!

You will never know if this happens but it could be.

 

I'm neighter a fan of the pre fragmented bullets, thy are just loose parts (shot) inside a copperjacket.

You never know if the shot stays firm enough inside the bullet's jacket, especially in the hard kicking guns. The shot may become loose when the cartridge is still in the magazine(during recoil) and so you just end up loading a half filled jacket into the chamber. Or the crimp on the case can hold the bullet's jacket, and the shot flies out when the slide close. Leaving the cartridge ready to shoot, but where is the 'shot'??

 

I know this is just all speculation, and we probably never know what happend. 

 

I just feel very sorry for Steve, loosing your new pistol just like that.

 

 

 

Luc,

When you talk about the banana split Bbl, are you thinking rifle?

When I have seen pistols suffer hollow point jacket separation and the jacket gets stuck in the Bbl it always seems to be stuck closer to the chamber and its the back of the gun that blows up as in this photo.  The tip-off is usually the heavy copper fowling in the Bbl.  As the next round strikes the jacket lodged in the Bbl it pushes the stuck jacket down and out the Bbl and leaves a crazy heavy copper coating behind.  You can see where the copper starts and you will know where the jacket was stuck. 

Many years ago I saw someones AM 1 that had shed a jacket and the shooter then sent another round down the Bbl, needless to say it was trashed.  The bolt came back with such force it broke the hammer off the hammer then hit the shooter in the face!  The inside of the Bbl had a coating of copper from about 1 inch in front of the chamber all the way to the muzzle.  It looked like heavy copper plating.  The hollow point ammo he was using was unknown quality that came with the gun, and used the old style low height jacket with a lot of exposed in the nose. 

I recall seeing printed notifications inside Hornady bullet boxes warning that particular bullets were only safe for use up to a certain velocity.  I can only assume jacket separation is the concern.

So DANKO, can you see a lot of copper inside the Bbl???  If not can you tell if the Slide is all the way forward, or is it even slightly back from the 100% forward position? 

Do you have the brass case from the round that caused the damage?


I also seem to recall seeing a revolver cyl blown out once.  I think it was someone who loaded a case full of a very fast powder like Bulseye in a high volume round (45 LC) and the cyl just blew apart. 

Can you provide more pictures???

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