44 AMP bullet selection

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   TC, since your OWS factory load is 240 sp and mine is 210 hp then I'm guessing yours is way different. That's why I asked about the chronograph. I called OWS a long time ago and asked about that and was told mine were (hang on to your hat) a whopping 710 fps muzzle and energy of 235 ft lbs muzzle. They're in a blue and yellow box with a black bat logo. 

jw, since the C-B aren't Nosler or Hornady, that leaves I guess Sierra and Speer and who else? Do the big 3 all make their own proprietary bullets? They all make a 240 in 44. I've used Rem, Win and Fed in 44 but don't still have any to compare.  Black Hills makes the 240 in 44. They are 1260 fps.

C-B has been advertised at 1450 for the AM. There's also some info on it showing test and chronograph results in the Auto Mag Owners Reference Manual. Anyhow, the make bullet is kind of an interesting question since C-B is the only major player that carries Auto Mag ammo.

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Ginsaw Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Callahan's Auto Mag Joined: 09 Mar 2008 Location: TN Status: Offline Points: 460	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ginsaw Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Mar 2008 at 4:06am
	TC, since your OWS factory load is 240 sp and mine is 210 hp then I'm guessing yours is way different. That's why I asked about the chronograph. I called OWS a long time ago and asked about that and was told mine were (hang on to your hat) a whopping 710 fps muzzle and energy of 235 ft lbs muzzle. They're in a blue and yellow box with a black bat logo. jw, since the C-B aren't Nosler or Hornady, that leaves I guess Sierra and Speer and who else? Do the big 3 all make their own proprietary bullets? They all make a 240 in 44. I've used Rem, Win and Fed in 44 but don't still have any to compare. Black Hills makes the 240 in 44. They are 1260 fps. C-B has been advertised at 1450 for the AM. There's also some info on it showing test and chronograph results in the Auto Mag Owners Reference Manual. Anyhow, the make bullet is kind of an interesting question since C-B is the only major player that carries Auto Mag ammo.

curmudgeon Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List R.I.P. Joined: 08 Mar 2008 Location: hagerman,NM Status: Offline Points: 747	Post Options Post Reply Quote curmudgeon Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Mar 2008 at 4:07pm
	Its difficult to say who uses whose bullets in what load cause most change daily...Many bullet makers don't even make their own bullets, many bullet makers do not even market their own bullets as all are sold to different factories and or ammo makers. For years Federals 380 ammo was made in Europe. When we started buying 380 brass from Federal they said now we can justify making our own, we asked for 4 million cases per year. When Remington moved to Loanoke they got behind in case manufacturing and Federal made many 9mm for them. We started getting contamination of Rem headstamp cases with our SV headstamp and Remington had the same problem with SV headstamped cases. Federal apologized. Don't know how many slipped thru QC on our part...To try and figure out whose bullet who is using at any given time is like jousting at windmills...FWIW dept.. many skeletons in many closets..

Ginsaw Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Callahan's Auto Mag Joined: 09 Mar 2008 Location: TN Status: Offline Points: 460	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ginsaw Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Mar 2008 at 8:48pm
	OK, here it is straight from Cor-Bon themselves - they are still producing 44 Auto Mag ammo, 240 gr jhp @1450 fps 1120 lbs. It's $30 something a box and can be ordered direct. No minimum. They are not selling much of it. The fellow I talked with said they make the bullet for it themselves, along with much of their other ammo. Their custom shop will also make Auto Mag ammo with other ballistics. I use for hunting a couple of their revolver loads, the 41 and the 44. Their 41 comes in a 1350 fps 210 jhp and a 1325 fps 250 hc. The jhp they get from Sierra and they make the hc themselves. They get their 1475 fps 240 gr jhp 44 from Sierra.

Gerry Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List R.I.P. Joined: 08 Mar 2008 Location: MI Status: Offline Points: 1085	Post Options Post Reply Quote Gerry Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Mar 2008 at 11:45pm
	In my 44 AMP , I have been using the 210 Remington with WW296. I got a chronograph from Santa and hope to do some work in May/June. In the 357 AMP, I was using the 140 gr Remington with WW296. I used these in my AMP and Contender and they shoot very well. Remington has discontinued some their bullet since they were bought by Cerebrus, the same money machine that bought Chrylser and just decimated that company. Livin in Motown is no fun these days. Gerry

paul v. Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List International Auto Mag Joined: 10 Mar 2008 Location: western ny Status: Offline Points: 90	Post Options Post Reply Quote paul v. Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 Mar 2008 at 7:25am
	I've had great success with the lighter bullets at high velocities in the 41Mag (170g Sierra JHC @ 1550fps, 1750fps in both the 44 Auto Mag with 180g Sierra JHC and the 357 AMP 140g XTP respectively. Of the 18 White-tails(not bragging, just giving experience)that I've harvested, mostly within 60yds-more likely 15 to 30 yards none have run further than 75yds (heart shot) and most are down on the spot. I've experienced plenty of bone desruction and complet penitration. Rifle-like performance. I've noticed jacket particles on exit wounds and never thought much about it as the bullet did it's job. I also have no problems with heavyweight bullets as I can see what they can do to the heavy Rams weighing 55lbs at 200meters at Silhoutte competitions. Paul V.

curmudgeon Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List R.I.P. Joined: 08 Mar 2008 Location: hagerman,NM Status: Offline Points: 747	Post Options Post Reply Quote curmudgeon Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 Mar 2008 at 12:04pm
	Jason: they call that slope the "ogive"

Ginsaw Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Callahan's Auto Mag Joined: 09 Mar 2008 Location: TN Status: Offline Points: 460	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ginsaw Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 Mar 2008 at 4:20pm
	Paul, my experience is the same as yours on the jacket fragments, so whether it's handloads or factory, AM or revolver or rifle, doesn't matter. Once in a while I find whole jackets with sides split several ways and neatly curled back. For years I kept a couple of these as souvenirs. But mostly as you say it's just jacket pieces. It's obvious even more of these blow apart and on out that we never see.

jw4570 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Callahan's Auto Mag Joined: 08 Mar 2008 Location: FL Status: Offline Points: 1334	Post Options Post Reply Quote jw4570 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 Mar 2008 at 11:19pm
	Actually, ogive I had only ever applied to pinted bullets for some reason. JW

curmudgeon Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List R.I.P. Joined: 08 Mar 2008 Location: hagerman,NM Status: Offline Points: 747	Post Options Post Reply Quote curmudgeon Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 21 Mar 2008 at 9:22pm
	jw4570: Ogive would be that portion of the projectile between the bearing surface and the meplat...:-)