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Topic: 44 AMP bullet selection
Posted By: TC357MAX
Subject: 44 AMP bullet selection
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2008 at 4:02pm
What type of bullet do you load in your 44 AMP? I have been using Hornady 240 gr HP/XTP. Problem is I always get jams with a full magazine, if I put 3 round in clip pistol functions fine. I have changed the springs in recoil rods and the magazine. I have been using W296 powder and have increased the load to 25gr with no change. The pistol functions fine with OWS and Corbon. I selected Hornady HP for hunting, but the ammo that works has lead on the tip. Could that make the difference?  



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Posted By: AUTOMAG
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2008 at 4:14pm
Carl, I have good luck with Nosler 240 grain JSP bulets in my Auto Mag. 

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"This is the 44 Magnum Auto Mag and holds a 300 grain cartridge and if properly used it can remove the fingerprints"!!!


Posted By: Luc V.
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2008 at 4:19pm
I use Fiocchi 240 grains SJSP. No hick-ups.
 
Full Data;
Case: Starline
Primer CCI Large pistol Magnum
Powder; Vihtavuori 3N37 load 12.5 grains Velocity: 1250Fps.
 
Not the heaviest load, but 1250 fps and 240 grains bullet isn't that soft to punch paper targets.
 


Posted By: curmudgeon
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2008 at 4:22pm
Probably more to do with powder charge..???


Posted By: curmudgeon
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2008 at 4:23pm
Probably more to do with powder charge..???


Posted By: Luc V.
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2008 at 5:37pm

Picture of the Fiocchi 240 grs soft point bullets.

 
 


Posted By: curmudgeon
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2008 at 7:30pm
For hunting I used the 180 gr. JHP/JSP exclusively..in the 48/50 CUP range with quite success...


Posted By: curmudgeon
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2008 at 7:38pm
I could never tell for my needs the 240 offered anything extra. Course there are probably at least 35-40 more jacketed bullets available today. Altho I still don't know if any are any better than what I used the 180 grainers for....IMSHO
In their day the Norma 240 Tri-clad were probably the toughest constructed. Pete Petersen used some on a Polar Bear from a S&W 44 Mag, but the guide still had to finish it off from a charge, but the Bear probably would have died from the wounds, after maybe causing mahem with Pet , the guide, and Pete's Photographer, Bob DeSilvo...FWIW Dept.


Posted By: AUTOMAG
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2008 at 8:44pm
Luc, in your above photos two of the mags look like Triple K, are they and if so do them come with 44 Auto Mag engraved on the base plate or did you do that?

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"This is the 44 Magnum Auto Mag and holds a 300 grain cartridge and if properly used it can remove the fingerprints"!!!


Posted By: Luc V.
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2008 at 8:50pm
Originally posted by AUTOMAG AUTOMAG wrote:

---Luc, in your above photos two of the mags look like Triple K, are they and if so do them come with 44 Auto Mag engraved on the base plate or did you do that? ---
 
The grey one is the original, the black magazines could be Triple K. (I don't know, I 've got them from Ian)
Yes, I did the engraving on the base plates.


Posted By: AUTOMAG
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2008 at 8:52pm
Looks great to me Luc!!!! I like it!!Smile

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"This is the 44 Magnum Auto Mag and holds a 300 grain cartridge and if properly used it can remove the fingerprints"!!!


Posted By: Luc V.
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2008 at 8:56pm
Bring yours when you come over, and I'll do the them also. Wink


Posted By: Ginsaw
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2008 at 10:43pm
TC, when you mentioned OWS (Old Western Scrounger) and Cor-Bon, were you talking about shooting their factory loads? As far as the bullets go, others probably know what exact brand they use, but the OWS I have are 210 HP and appear the same as the 240 C-B, excepting weight. The OWS brass is starline and if I recall right so is C-B. Both of their hollow points look nothing like Hornady XTPs.
 
Also, you haven't by any chance chronographed the OWS? I could maybe guess the results, but just curious.


Posted By: Ginsaw
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2008 at 10:49pm
Add-on to last post. On the selecting Hornadys for hunting, I don't know if you've tried them yet for that, but I have taken several deer with the 44 JHP/XTP and had good results in the field. However, these were in revolver factory loads - 1350 fps, which is what I would like to settle on for a hunting load in the AM. 


Posted By: jw4570
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2008 at 12:11am
I've been using the Nosler 240 JSP for my 44 AMP
 
AS for 357 AMP, I use the Remignton 158 JSP or 125 JSP.  Yep Remington.  The Hornady XTP's shed jackets after penetrating 1/2" ply at 25 yards.  The Remington's seem to work well.
 
I'm partial to JSP's for rounds in the 357 and up class.  I don't think you need as much expansion in these calibers as you do penetration.  Of course, I'm a novice compared to most on these boards concerned with hunting with the AMP.
 
 
Jason


Posted By: Ginsaw
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2008 at 12:58am
We may have covered this before, so I don't want to be repetitive about jacket separation, but I've found over the yrs a great many jackets in real cleanly deceased deer from many guns using factory loads, including the 41 and 44 up to and including 30-30 and 30-06. It routinely occurs in deer hunting, especially with close range shots. A frequent place to find them is the exit area or the hide. So it's not something I ever considered a problem. But maybe it is with larger tougher game. Others no doubt know more about that.
 
Unfortunately my experience with taking game with the 357 is nill. One just never bothered to present itself for a shot when carrying the old Model 27. At any rate I'll never get to find out. They changed the rules here and now it's .40 and up only in handguns.
 
But I do like those XTPs.
 
Does anyone here who has the AM C-B rounds know what brand of bullet they use? I just think it'd be interesting to know. Perhaps it's those Noslers?
 
 


Posted By: Ric Mutascio
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2008 at 5:17am
For feeding reliability in my 44 AMP, I've had very good luck with Sierra 240 grain and 180 grain JHP truncated conical bullets when hunting. For general fun shooting, plinking, and/or paper-punching (which lately is mostly what I have been doing), the Speer 240 grain truncated conical FMJ is my choice.  Back in the 1970's, I used to pull the CDM original bullets and reload those rounds with WW 296 or H110 but still using the CDM bullets whereupon they gave good service. The Nosler Gold  Partition bullet loaded into 45 Win Mag is an excellent bullet with reliable feeding when I am using my scoped 45 Win Mag barrel. My plaything 45 ACP barrel only likes 230 grain FMJ bullets loaded to GI velocities.


Posted By: TC357MAX
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2008 at 9:52pm
Thanks for everyones input.

Ginsaw, yes the ows and c-b are "factory loads". Both use stars and strips brass, ows is 240gr sp fn and c-b are 240gr jsp hp. I have not chronographed any of the loads. This will give me a good excuse to buy one. I will also try some different bullets and see what happens.


Posted By: jw4570
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2008 at 11:00pm

The Cor-Bon don't appear to be Nosler, neither JHP nor JSP.  The cone has more slope (ie, pointier?)

 

Jason



Posted By: jw4570
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2008 at 11:33pm
I think everyone means to say all the new loads use Starline Brass, different company than Stars and Stripes.
 
Hey Rick, come down and do an article on Stars and Stripes since they moved close to me, I'll meet ya, and we can shooting!  I need to call the owner and see if I can go over one day.
 
Jason


Posted By: Ginsaw
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2008 at 4:06am
TC, since your OWS factory load is 240 sp and mine is 210 hp then I'm guessing yours is way different. That's why I asked about the chronograph. I called OWS a long time ago and asked about that and was told mine were (hang on to your hat) a whopping 710 fps muzzle and energy of 235 ft lbs muzzle. They're in a blue and yellow box with a black bat logo. 
 
jw, since the C-B aren't Nosler or Hornady, that leaves I guess Sierra and Speer and who else? Do the big 3 all make their own proprietary bullets? They all make a 240 in 44. I've used Rem, Win and Fed in 44 but don't still have any to compare.  Black Hills makes the 240 in 44. They are 1260 fps.
 
C-B has been advertised at 1450 for the AM. There's also some info on it showing test and chronograph results in the Auto Mag Owners Reference Manual. Anyhow, the make bullet is kind of an interesting question since C-B is the only major player that carries Auto Mag ammo.


Posted By: curmudgeon
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2008 at 4:07pm
Its difficult to say who uses whose bullets in what load cause most change daily...Many bullet makers don't even make their own bullets, many bullet makers do not even market their own bullets as all are sold to different factories and or ammo makers. For years Federals 380 ammo was made in Europe. When we started buying 380 brass from Federal they said now we can justify making our own, we asked for 4 million cases per year. When Remington moved to Loanoke they got behind in case manufacturing and Federal made many 9mm for them. We started getting contamination of Rem headstamp cases with our SV headstamp and Remington had the same problem with SV headstamped cases. Federal apologized. Don't know how many slipped thru QC on our part...To try and figure out whose bullet who is using at any given time is like jousting at windmills...FWIW dept..   many skeletons in many closets..Smile


Posted By: Ginsaw
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2008 at 8:48pm
OK, here it is straight from Cor-Bon themselves - they are still producing 44 Auto Mag ammo, 240 gr jhp @1450 fps 1120 lbs. It's $30 something a box and can be ordered direct. No minimum. They are not selling much of it. 
 
The fellow I talked with said they make the bullet for it themselves, along with much of their other ammo. Their custom shop will also make Auto Mag ammo with other ballistics.
 
I use for hunting a couple of their revolver loads, the 41 and the 44. Their 41 comes in a 1350 fps 210 jhp and a 1325 fps 250 hc. The jhp they get from Sierra and they make the hc themselves. They get their 1475 fps 240 gr jhp 44 from Sierra.
 


Posted By: Gerry
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2008 at 11:45pm
In my 44 AMP , I have been using the 210 Remington with WW296. I got a chronograph from Santa and hope to do some work in May/June.
In the 357 AMP, I was using the 140 gr Remington with WW296. I used these in my AMP and Contender and they shoot very well. Remington has discontinued some their bullet since they were bought by Cerebrus, the same money machine that bought Chrylser and just decimated that company. Livin in Motown is no fun these days.
 
Gerry


Posted By: paul v.
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2008 at 7:25am
I've had great success with the lighter bullets at high velocities in the 41Mag (170g Sierra JHC @ 1550fps, 1750fps in both the 44 Auto Mag with 180g Sierra JHC and the 357 AMP 140g XTP respectively. Of the 18 White-tails(not bragging, just giving experience)that I've harvested, mostly within 60yds-more likely 15 to 30 yards none have run further than 75yds (heart shot) and most are down on the spot. I've experienced plenty of bone desruction and complet penitration. Rifle-like performance. I've noticed jacket particles on exit wounds and never thought much about it as the bullet did it's job. I also have no problems with heavyweight bullets as I can see what they can do to the heavy Rams weighing 55lbs at 200meters at Silhoutte competitions.
Paul V.


Posted By: curmudgeon
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2008 at 12:04pm
Jason: they call that slope the "ogive"   Tongue


Posted By: Ginsaw
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2008 at 4:20pm
Paul, my experience is the same as yours on the jacket fragments, so whether it's handloads or factory, AM or revolver or rifle, doesn't matter. Once in a while I find whole jackets with sides split several ways and neatly curled back. For years I kept a couple of these as souvenirs. But mostly as you say it's just jacket pieces. It's obvious even more of these blow apart and on out that we never see. 
 


Posted By: jw4570
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2008 at 11:19pm
Actually, ogive I had only ever applied to pinted bullets for some reason.
 
JW


Posted By: curmudgeon
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2008 at 9:22pm
jw4570: Ogive would be that portion of the projectile between the bearing surface and the meplat...:-)



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