New AM barrels
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Topic: New AM barrels
Posted By: sirsaka
Subject: New AM barrels
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2011 at 5:36am
| I am trying to convince my partners that it would be prudent to make some AM barrels. Simply...I need input to see where the market is. Considering the price is afordable- what would you want and/or what do you think the market would demand. .44AMP vs .45 W.M., 6-1/2" V.R. vs 4-1/2" and/or 8-1/2" VR, stainless vs carbon steel. Thanks guys. |
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Posted By: Gerry
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2011 at 11:08pm
| Brian With Max gearing up, not sure what the market would be. Also we have the phantom Auto Mag Company which supposedly restarting AMP production. I would take a wait and see what develops over the next 4-6 months. Cheers! Gerry MI |
Posted By: usrguns
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2011 at 2:54am
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4-1/2" and 8-1/2" VR, stainless, 44 amp. Would truley love to see one in a .50 but that will have to wait!!
------------- If you can't have fun doing it, then don't do it. |
Posted By: Nitrous Viper
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2011 at 7:46pm
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Brian,
My take would be to make a few and post them for sale with the Your "Coat of Arms" or similar etching if you can afford it. If the practile shooter or hunter did not buy, I would supsect that at least a some collectors would step in due to your past contributions to AMT etc.
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Posted By: Auto Mag
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2011 at 1:42am
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Me thinks you will be holding your breath a long time waiting for the new Auto Mag company to have acc Bbls for sale,,,
And regarding the Bbls Max is planning to make, I think its important to note that they will not look like production or "Dirty Harry" Bbls, his last word on this was that the rib design would look the prototype Auto Mag Bbls.
So for those who are interested in Bbls that have the production style look for the rib, this is the only option on the table.
So with that said, I would sign up for a couple,,,, A matched pair of 8 1/2" VR (357 & 44) would be nice to add to the "safe" (I for one dont like shooting the 8 1/2" Bbls, they look good in pics, but are just not balanced as well as the 6 1/2" VR Bbls)
I would also be interested in a 4 1/2" VR in 45 ACP (Sure would like Bruce Starks HardBaller gun, but thats a dream,,,)
Maybe one or two others (Bbls),,, maybe,,,
Well thats my starting order, but you better catch me before the Girl Scouts do, as I usually drop quite a bundle on cookie around this time of year! LOL ------------- Who was that masked man,,, |
Posted By: Nitrous Viper
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2011 at 4:58am
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Brian
I would agree with the statements above regarding the potential for other camps to produce barrels. If: 1) you can get a few out on the net for people to see. 2) Follow through with a reasonable production time...and 3) approach the quality and finish of Grossmans work... I think you will attract buyers!
Count me in on anything other than a 6-1/2 VR
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Posted By: Auto Mag
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2011 at 1:38pm
Hummm,,, If you are talking about Larry's custom (and mirror polished Bbls) I doubt too many here will be in the market for such quality. That kind of work come at a hefty price.
I dont see too much of a market for that kind of quality unless you were giving it away.
Brian do you have any sense of what kind of price range you can offer standard finish Bbls for?
Most here either struggle to pay the current going rate for Auto Mag Bbls ($1000.00 - $1500.00) and I cannot see a line forming for $2000.00 - $3000.00+ polished Bbls custom Bbls,,, But who knows as there is currently no one offering such items so we wont know for sure until there a supply and demand.
It would be interesting to hear from others about what they might be looking for and how they would be willing to pay. I have paid $2000.00 - $3000.00 and more for Bbls and it HURTS!
What say the rest of you, if you can order a Bbl whats on your list and at what price???
 ------------- Who was that masked man,,, |
Nitrous Viper wrote:Posted By: roodyrocker
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2011 at 1:24am
| My vote would be for the 8 1/2" VR barrel. Its what most Automag guys want and never truly had available to us. I'll take mine in .44 AM please :) but if reasonably priced I might be interested in picking one up after that in .357 as well. No need for fancy polishing that pushes the price up further, well unless someone was willing to pay you extra for that labor. For my own needs a finish matching my factory AutoMag is fine. |
Posted By: Nitrous Viper
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2011 at 1:39am
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Approaching Grossmans work does not necessarly refer to polished finishes but more to the fit and finish of items like the vent rib and the barrel extension' internal finish. Im sure Brian himself will tell us that it is no small task making the vent rib attachment and the finish on the bottom side of the rib where it attaches to the extension etc.
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Posted By: Auto Mag
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2011 at 2:20am
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Not sure I’m following,,, I only have one Larry Grossman Bbl to judge by, but I do have a bunch of production Bbls and been fortunate enough to have Brian make several custom Bbls for me and to be quite honest I have not noticed much difference in the quality of the ribs and Bbl extensions. The Covina Bbls were the only ones I have seen that looked like they were made with dull tooling, other than that, all looked to be very high quality. Now if you are saying that Larry was responsible for the majority of production Bbls then I guess I understand, but otherwise I have not encountered any significant number of poorly machined Bbls and I can assure you all the work Brian has done for me was just as expected, I was always a happy customer and I’m sure I will be again. ------------- Who was that masked man,,, |
Posted By: Nitrous Viper
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2011 at 5:13am
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It appears that you have gone off the mark with with your last paragraph by attempting to draw the thread in a different direction than my statements.
I will summarize my sentiments by stating that there could be a potential market for Brians work out there via shooters, hunters and collectors. My criteria for buying a barrel might differ from yours and the areas I mentioned in producing a barrel "potentially could be" arduous for Kent, Larry or Brian...which is my right to state. I am familiar with Brians work also and support his efforts if he choose to go with it...so Brian If you come up with a price, production time and options...I know Iwill be in!
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Posted By: Auto Mag
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2011 at 2:32am
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Like I said right up front, I wasn’t following your post, as when I think about a Larry Grossman Bbl, I think about his jaw dropping customs, not anything production he has done. And I know I am not alone thinking about Larrys customs when you drop the term “Larry Grossman Quality”. So I’m not sure I was attempting to draw the conversation in any particular direction, just responding to what I was reading and attempting to understand what was being said. Fortunately it appears that we are actually on the same page. CHEERS! ------------- Who was that masked man,,, |
Posted By: darrell
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2011 at 8:03pm
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Brian, I'm with the crowd, 8-1/2" VR 44 or 357. If u can make em for around $1500 they will sell. $1500 to $2000 still reach-able. Above $2000, collectors and rich dudes/for safe queens. I still like to use my stuff. But I have to be alittle practical too. fwiw ------------- darrello |
Posted By: Auto Mag
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2011 at 9:02pm
From what I hear from the people I talk to, I would say Darrell is dead on correct.
Well now that the norhteast and southwest have spoken up, how about middle america,,, LOL
------------- Who was that masked man,,, |
Posted By: tgt40
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2011 at 1:30am
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I'm interested but I'll have to do some work on importation....I know a guy but it's been a while since I've imported anything from the U.S. and I understand prices have gone up. Having said that, I like the 8.5 VR in .44 too. |
Posted By: Redhotfill
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2011 at 10:07pm
Hope I'm not too late to this or off topic as t lookslike this is more about "real" automags than the AMT / IAI produced Automag II, III, IV and V. But I have seen posts on here about those. So here is my 2 cents worth. I would pay actual money for new AMT Automag IV barrels in 10mm and 45 Win Mag 6 inch and 8 1/2 inch. What would be at the top of my list would be... A drop in barrel made for the AMT Automag V in 440 CORBON! As a 440 CORBON is a necked down 50AE should just drop in, no need of a different magazine or changes to slide. As I reload, a 440 CORBON would offer cheaper shooting, improved ballistics, and a wider choice of projectile weights. 
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Posted By: sirsaka
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2011 at 8:37pm
| What is the rim diameter on the 440 corbon and would it fit the AMIV bolt face? |
Posted By: Redhotfill
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2011 at 9:57pm
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As I am waiting for delivery of my Automag IV ( I have a II, and a V as well) I cant measure it out for you at the moment. Since a 440 Corbon is a 50AE case necked down to 440 should be the same specs as the 50AE, not sure if the bolt face is that much different between a IV and a V. I have a friend who also has an AMT Automag V and he too loves the idea of a 440 Corbon barrel for that. For what its worth I have seen Automag IV slides put on Automag V frames... I'm sure someon on here knows the bolt face specs for the IV's. |
Posted By: Redhotfill
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2011 at 9:57pm
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As I am waiting for delivery of my Automag IV ( I have a II, and a V as well) I cant measure it out for you at the moment. Since a 440 Corbon is a 50AE case necked down to 440 should be the same specs as the 50AE, not sure if the bolt face is that much different between a IV and a V. I have a friend who also has an AMT Automag V and he too loves the idea of a 440 Corbon barrel for that. For what its worth I have seen Automag IV slides put on Automag V frames... I'm sure someon on here knows the bolt face specs for the IV's. |
Posted By: Redhotfill
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2011 at 10:02pm
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Posted By: Redhotfill
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2011 at 10:25pm
| I think the biggest problem with trying to do a 440 Corbon in an AMT Automag IV would be that the magazine would need to be WIDENED to hold the fatter, 50AE/440 Corbon case. There is a noticable difference in width between the 45 winmag magazine and 50 AE magazines I have for My Lar Grizzly and I'm assuming that will be the case when my Automag IV arives with respect to the mags. Now that I've given this a bit of thought about the bolt face, I know that the 45 winmag is just a beefed up and extended 45acp I imagine the boltface would be the same size as anyother 45acp boltface... |
Posted By: Mohillbilly
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2011 at 10:16pm
| Here in Mid U.S.A. I would prefer something that would match some of my Covina barrels. In .44 and .357 8 1/2 " I would also like Tony Rumor to make me a 6 1/2 " .440 Corbon barrel for my MK 5 LAR Grizzly , but don't know if I can talk him in to it . I heard he made himself one (Pac nor blank )and it took 8 hrs of machine work . $$$$$ I am still looking for a Automag IV slide to put on my III and while I'm dreaming a 10mm mag barrel . |
Posted By: RandyM
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2011 at 12:49pm
| I had heard that the high standard company in houston TX had some of the machinery for some of the amt guns? |
Posted By: Rumore
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2011 at 6:56pm
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Here's a pic of the 440 Corbon barrel in my Mark V Grizzly.
Tony Rumore
Tromix
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Posted By: Redhotfill
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2011 at 8:08pm
| Wow I want one! One of each :-( Hard to find Mark V Griz guns I have a magazine for one just not the gun sigh. |
Posted By: sirsaka
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2011 at 5:42pm
| Update[We are very close to manufacturing barrels. In fact, I'm going over to try and finalize everything today. If all goes well, we are all back in business!!! Say a prayer, cross your fingers or what ever you do. |
Posted By: darrell
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2011 at 5:34pm
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Brian, what's the word on the barrels? Any progress? Preliminary pricing? Need to know how much $ I need to finnigal out of my budget. ------------- darrello |
Posted By: sirsaka
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2011 at 9:15pm
| It's still in the works guys. I just met with someone yesterday that seemed interested in teaming up to get this done. From the posts, its obvious to me that the market is ripe. However, these barrels, once someone sees them, seem to scare others away. I will keep you all posted. |
Posted By: jw4570
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2011 at 12:34am
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Brian,
That's the idea of an 8.5" VR, looks scary..........
Oh, you mean machinists and the like....
8.5" VR's and Backpackers....
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Posted By: Conny
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2011 at 4:19am
| I could care less about barrels. How about making the barrel extentions. That's what is really needed. |
Posted By: sirsaka
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2011 at 10:34pm
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I can do that too. But first I have to convince some people that there is a market. Working on that. |
Posted By: Bear Hunter
Date Posted: 23 May 2011 at 1:37am
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Hi,
I'm new to the site but have been an Auto Mag hunter for years. I would love it if you could make a barrel with an intergrated scope base. It kills me to take a good collectible barrel and drill and tap it. for a base. I use light weight led red dot sights have taken 3 black bear and 12 Whitetail deer with my 4 auto mags. Though most wouldn't consider me a serious collector but I love them and use them. If you could build an accurate barrel 6-8 inches for $750 or less I'll take 3. Make a .357 auto mag barrrel with intergrated scope base and I'll take 3 more for varmit hunting. Being a buisness minded man, don't copy what's already out there and collector's won't buy. Some of us shoot these things and love them. Bear Hunter |
Posted By: Auto Mag
Date Posted: 26 May 2011 at 1:30am
Damn, that must make like at least 4 of us who live in MA and have Auto Mags,,, With those kind of numbers we could almost have our own Auto Mag range day,,, LOL
Welcome and hope to see/hear more from you.
GH ------------- Who was that masked man,,, |
Posted By: sirsaka
Date Posted: 26 May 2011 at 3:52am
| Hey Bear Hunter...meet my good friend GH (above). He's my favorite MA guy, although I belive he now lives in ME. Am I right GH? |
Posted By: Auto Mag
Date Posted: 26 May 2011 at 5:07am
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Nope still stuck in the seat of liberalism,,, (MA)
Some day I'll make my escape to NH and live free or die!
GH ------------- Who was that masked man,,, |
Posted By: sirsaka
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2011 at 7:35pm
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Posted By: sirsaka
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2011 at 7:50pm
An update on the 8-1/2" barrels for all of you. We are working on the receivers, about 20 pcs. Also, we are going to make .357's as well as .44's, because many have asked for .357's. They are all going to be 8-1/2" vent rib. Custom orders are always welcome and I will have a few extra receivers for that. More updates to follow. 
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Posted By: aklawok
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2011 at 8:13am
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Good news! I will anticipate one of your .357 bbls. I would also like to ask if it was much harder to make in a non VR. or if at 8"++ the VR will be nose heavy?
------------- WHEN IN NOME, DO AS THE NOMENS! ITS NOT THE END OF THE WORLD, BUT YOU CAN SEE IT FROM HERE! 73 KL1YJ |
Posted By: Auto Mag
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2011 at 1:38pm
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Aklawok,
My experience is that the 8 1/2" Bbls and 10 1/2" Bbls are noticably more nose heavy than the 6 1/2" Vent Rib Bbl, but when comparing any of the longer Bbls (w/wo a Vent Rib) I have not noticed any noteworthy difference in my hand and with the exception of the BackPacker/4 1/2" Bbl, I currently have (or have had in the past) most forms of Bbls made for the Auto Mag.
Hope that helps.
 ------------- Who was that masked man,,, |
Posted By: sirsaka
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2011 at 6:08pm
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I think GH answered your question. I would only add that the 8-1/2" VR feels so much better in the hand than the 6-1/2"...but thats just my opinion. |
Posted By: aklawok
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2011 at 10:02pm
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Thanx GH, I see from your collection several 8"+ non VR .357s. I cant tell from the pic if the longer VRs are in 357AM? one of the things I like so much in my 180 is its balance. i dont believe it an accident the backstrap is so "chunky". of course bigger is not always better. several guns have got the in-then out of my collection this way. would you give me an idea of the balance point in these two? my opinion is that the VR only serves an aesthetic purpose. ------------- WHEN IN NOME, DO AS THE NOMENS! ITS NOT THE END OF THE WORLD, BUT YOU CAN SEE IT FROM HERE! 73 KL1YJ |
Posted By: sirsaka
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2011 at 12:40am
Thought I'd throw you all a screen shot of the receivers we're working on. Solid modeling, you gotta love it! More to come. 
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Posted By: Yoshi
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2011 at 2:27am
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Hi Brian,
Great to see your progress. Is this by SolidWorks or Pro-E? I'm thinking of getting one of them to replace my decades old 2D CAD system and would like to have your view on it.
Yoshi ------------- http://www.blackstonear.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.blackstonear.com |
Posted By: sirsaka
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2011 at 3:18am
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This is a SolidWorks model Yoshi. Much easier and more user freindly than Pro-E in my opinion. |
Posted By: Auto Mag
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2011 at 5:05am
If we are speaking strictly about balance then I have to defer back to the guidance LEJ has posted time and time again, the 6 ½” VR Bbl is THE best length. It just has a natural balance that is hard to beat. With that said, the longer Bbls, 8 ½ VR and 10 ½” non VR, are not too nose heavy, they just are not as well balanced as the 6 ½” and you will notice the difference just as soon as you pick them up. Some folks are not bothered by this in the least, and then people like you and I may be more sensitive to it. As such, the 6 ½” is my preference for shooting. If we were talking about pure aesthetics, the its hard to beat the wow factor of the 8 ½” VR, and truth be told it does seem to offer a bit more bang (velocity) Well that’s one mans opinion, and its only that, as we are talking about a very individual personal preference much like the thick vs. thin grips issue. As for the VR serving only an aesthetic purpose, well I would debate that point, I think it adds a significant improvement to the way my eye picks up the sights, and I “suspect” it serves other mechanical purposes but as I am not an engineer I would attempt to discuss those. And finally even if it was only an aesthetic gimmick, I like it! So that’s enough for me to want it. ;-) If the VR is not to your liking no worries, I won’t hold that against you,,, LOL Truth be told I am considering asking Brian Maynard to make me a “Star Wars”/”Space Gun” Bbl that would be un-ribbed and have a unique taper from the Bbl extension to the Bbl where it would appear much like one of the prop guns used in Star Wars. Well I considering it,,, GH
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Posted By: Auto Mag
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2011 at 5:13am
Maybe there is hope for a 3/4 scale 10mm Auto Mag after all !!! ------------- Who was that masked man,,, |
Posted By: sirsaka
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2011 at 3:24pm
| A star wars space gun George? OK, I'm in. LOL! |
Posted By: Auto Mag
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2011 at 3:33am
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Well it would be different,,, ;-) Actually I think it might look interesting; a very rounded transition from the Bbl extension to the Bbl, then say an 8 1/2" 357 AMP Bbl with thin and straight profile (no taper) add a screw on Magnaported/flash suppressor, and maybe a funky front site like on the Ruger Hunter model Mark III 22’s Load it up with some 125 gr FMJ sizzlers and you could have an interesting conversation piece at the range.
Well maybe,,, But then I have a lot of other items on the list ahead of this one,,, Truth be told, I think I would start a few of the BABY AUTOMAG projects before this one.
Just wish I could find a couple of BAM's in MA as doner guns to start from,,, ------------- Who was that masked man,,, |
Posted By: sirsaka
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2011 at 6:06am
| George, do you think the .22 would cycle? I guess we could build up the accelerator a bit. |
Posted By: Yoshi
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2011 at 5:33pm
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Thanks. Appreciate your input. Originally I was more towards the Pro-E (now its called Creo), but I will check the SolidWorks out.
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Posted By: Gerry
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2011 at 8:26pm
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It looks like the raygun/blaster is Magna-ported!
Good luck with your new venture Brian. Could be a future customer once the kids are gone which could be soon. :{[]
Gerry
MI
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Posted By: sirsaka
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2011 at 2:05am
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I am trying really hard to post pics of the progress of the barrels but the site keeps saying they are too large to post. I will contact Ian to see whats going on. I apologize for this. |
BrianPosted By: Yoshi
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2011 at 3:03am
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Brian,
If you need, you can email them to me and I will resize and post a link.
Yoshi ------------- http://www.blackstonear.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.blackstonear.com |
Posted By: sirsaka
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2011 at 5:31pm
Thanks to a good friend, I finally have some pics of progress on the barrels. Thanks Ian. Some tooling pics to follow. 
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Posted By: sirsaka
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2011 at 2:09am
We are upgrading as we go and according to the engineers, you will be delighted in our changes. The material we are using in the receivers is a much better quality stainless than the 17-4 used in the 70's and will hold up well to your stronger loads. Also, the rear sight assemblies will be gorgeous replicas of the orignals when we're done! Last but not least, the rifled barrel stock is of the XX Premium grade and we bought the last that the maker is ever going to produce in .44 stainless steel. You will all be pleasantly pleased with the results, I assure you. I can't wait to post the next progress pics. 
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Posted By: amp357
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2011 at 2:02am
| I can't wait to see them, either.Joeamp357 |