Baby Auto Mag
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Topic: Baby Auto Mag
Posted By: Road King
Subject: Baby Auto Mag
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2010 at 11:01pm
New un-fired baby Auto mag serial number xm001 (experimental model) is currently listed on GunBroker and bid is at $2,200.0 with Reserve still not met.........
Another Babay Auto Mag, new , un-fired and in wood presentation case with original boxing just sold for $1,650.00.......
Guess that gives an fair indication of where the value of the Baby Auto Mag is headed.... out of my league
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Posted By: darrell
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2010 at 11:27pm
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Roadking, I'm with u. Prices are going out of sight. Guess someones making money somewhere. Just not me or u.... ------------- darrello |
Posted By: Road King
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2010 at 5:46pm
| Very true. U just have to keep lookin for that little gem, I' m heading to the Tampoa Gun Show now and will wander around looking to see who brought what............ Sometimes u pik up a real dealo from someone who brought a gun in just to get some cash. |
Posted By: sirsaka
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2011 at 5:26am
I don't believe there were ever "XM" Baby's guys. Mine were al "XP". There is a slight chance I'm missing something here so someone please enlighten me if I am. Humbly speaking. 
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Posted By: Auto Mag
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2011 at 1:27am
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I believe it was XP-001. ------------- Who was that masked man,,, |
Posted By: sirsaka
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2011 at 5:33pm
| XP-01 os my gun which appeared in the June '85 issue of G&A. There was never an XP-001. Sorry. |
Posted By: Auto Mag
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2011 at 3:41am
Hi Brian,
The gun in question sold on GunBroker and was marketed as having come from Harry Sanfords estate.
They did not say who built it and it was clearly not one of the producion Baby Auto Mags.
Any chance Larry built it for Harry?
Someone else,,,
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sirsaka wrote:Posted By: Nitrous Viper
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2011 at 4:03am
| Larry Grossman did make that pistol. |
Posted By: sirsaka
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2011 at 3:53pm
| I stand corrected. |
Posted By: Auto Mag
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2011 at 4:13pm
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No negative reflection on you to be sure, I think the important point is its not one of the originals that you made. Who know when this one was made, probably only Larry at this point. ------------- Who was that masked man,,, |
Posted By: Nitrous Viper
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2011 at 4:35pm
| Larry did in fact make the gun for Harry and it was made while he was employed at AMT...he just doesn't remember the exact date; so I am not sure "it was not one of the originals" is applicable. |
Posted By: sirsaka
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2011 at 5:32pm
| I have to correct myself on the post I wrote that XP-01 was my pistol. It is not. XP-02 is my pistol. Harry got the XP-01 that I made. Sorry for the confusion. |
Posted By: Auto Mag
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2011 at 8:57pm
Sorry, when I said "not one of the originals" I meant in the common use of the phrase, as in not one of the first set of XP Baby AutoMags that Brian made. I do not question that it is a genuine Larry Grossman made gun built at the AMT facility. But clearly there is a difference between something made during the actual prototype period and at some point later. It doesn’t make the gun a lesser quality item in any way, but I do think to some collectors these kinds of details matter. I would be more than happy to take possession of it at any time, but for historical purposes it would not be legitimate to call that the first XP Baby AutoMag. ------------- Who was that masked man,,, |
Posted By: Nitrous Viper
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2011 at 1:59am
| Agreed George...and while were on the subject of Brians somewhat under appreciated contributions perhaps you can coax Brian into some words about the .40KMP and what his contributuion to that project was! |
Posted By: Auto Mag
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2011 at 2:08am
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Sorry, you will have to stand in line as I want to get him to document the process of making an 8 1/2" VR Bbl, and then see if he knows anything about how the Auto Mag HardBaller was made, then,,, ok I guess we can fit the 40 KMP in after the HardBaller, but then I got a few more,,, LOL ------------- Who was that masked man,,, |
Posted By: Nitrous Viper
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2011 at 2:26am
| Well, the "Hardballer Auto Mag" is another discussion that will need to involve Larry and that is not meant to mean exclusively...and then of course the chronilogical history of events on the development of this pistol is well known by Bruce. By the way most think that .40KMP stands for .40 Kincel Magnum Pistol...not true...right Brian! |
Posted By: Auto Mag
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2011 at 2:52am
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If my old and tired memory is still intact, the 40 KMP was not built on an Auto Mag platform, but rather on one of the Automag (III or IV maybe) platforms, which for me is of no interest.
I had one of the early Automag IV 45 Win Mag guns and it was possibly the worst gun I have ever owned.
The quality was bad beyond anything I have ever seen and it would only shoot 3 rounds in a row before the slide would "stick" from galling, and I recall trying several full synthetic lubes at the time and NOTHING worked.
And thats all aside from my serious dislike of the way too short grip, the crappy slide mounted safety, and the sandblasted with gravel finish,,,
Are you getting a feeling I didn't like it,,, YUP I couldn't get rid of it fast enough!
The ONLY positive thing I could possibly say about it was that it was very accurate, all three rounds that it would shoot!
As for the HardBaller Auto Mag, I only wish we could get Larry to come on and tell us about making it and some of the other great creations he has produced. ------------- Who was that masked man,,, |
Posted By: Auto Mag Whisperer
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2011 at 9:40pm
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I am glad Brian cleared up the baby Auto Mag mystery. At least these guns were made while Harry was alive and the company was still in business. I have always said that a serial number means nothing. The historical significance of a particular gun is of importance and not the numbers stamped on it.
Speaking of markings, I believe .40KMP stands for, Kincel Maynard Pistol and there was one made on an Auto Mag platform. One of our members here has it along with the dies and the chamber reamer.
It's so good to see Ric, Brian and George posting here. What a wealth of knowledge they have.
Bruce |
Posted By: sirsaka
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2011 at 10:43pm
| The .40 KMP (Kincel Maynard Precision) appeared in the Sept '91 issue of GunWorld magazine, authored by my good friend Eric Kincel. It was Eric's brainchild but he consulted me on a few of the dimensions, mainly the angle at the neck. Although the guns used for the test were the AM IV & the Competitor, Eric & I did manage to put together an original AM barrel chambered for the .40KMP and it worked flawlessly. Incidently, this was a wildcat round that outperformed Walt Jones 10mm Magnum by a long shot. |
Posted By: Auto Mag
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2011 at 2:37am
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Hi Bruce, OUTSTANDING to hear from you!
As I have said so many times, I would not be an Auto Mag owner today if not for your support and guidance!
I am so greatful for all your help over the years words escape me.
Maybe some day you can fill in some of the details about the Auto Mag Hardballer for me.
And in case I have not ever said, I very much prefer the one with the Auto Mag backstrap (and I think the Bbl was different also and I prefer that version). The P38 backstrap version just doesn't quite do it for me. Dont get me wrong, if I won it in a raffle I wouldn't give it back, but if I has a choice I like the first prototype.
I would love to know if the frame was shortened (front to back) and if they made a special bolt. And pretty much anything else you cal tell us,,, Well some day,,,
Are you still working on the second book? If so, you can count on me to but a couple copies!
Keep in touch.
GH ------------- Who was that masked man,,, |
Posted By: Nitrous Viper
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2011 at 5:18pm
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I have seen the only .40 KMP built on / for an Auto Mag frame and it appears to be a 6" polished bull barrel style pistol; I think Bruce mentions this (experimental) in his book also. Additionally, I remember seeing the Automag IV .40 KMP and the Competitor .40 KMP that Brian and Eric engineered as well.
Eric and / or Brian made a 454 casull conversion for the same automag IV pistol also!
As to the function of the Automag IV and III, mine function well and have given me years of shooting pleasure without any maintenance other than cleaning and oiling!
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Posted By: sirsaka
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2011 at 5:32pm
| I have to mention here that the only lube I personally recommend for any stainless steel gun is FP-10 by MPC (Muscle Products Corp). Its a metal treatment that effects the molecules in the steel and smooths out all the spurs that are generated when stainless rubs against stainless. This will cure your galling problems. |
Posted By: sirsaka
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2011 at 5:36pm
| Funny you mention the .454 Casull conversion. I don't recall working with Eric on this but I did manage to achieve some really potent balistics when I chambered an AM IV at the factory with this round. This was something I did on my own and would not advise anyone to do this to their pistol. By the time I was done the lug in the barrel and the slide were both worn to a dangerous level. Otherwise the project went well and the gun held up. |
Posted By: JimeJ
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2011 at 1:40am
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Hello to all. I'm new here and actually don't know alot about weapons. But I do own a BAM and I am the original owner. I fired it at one session at a firing range in 1986 and its been in the wood presentation case ever since. I even have the cardboard box that it was shipped in from J&G Sales in Prescott, AZ and the price from them was $398.50 + tax which I have on the sales slip. S/N is under 300. I have the advertisement that prompted the purchase also.
The first couple posts of this thread hinted that the price for these now is upwards of $1600.00. I want to go to a gun show and sell it. I haven't been to a gun show in 20 or more years so I'll probably get the run around.
Any helpful hints on the best practice to do this is appreciated. Thanks in advance......
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Posted By: sirsaka
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2011 at 6:34am
| Welcome aboard Jim. It sounds like your BAM is in pristine condition from what you described. Incredibly, you will probably get what you want for it, from a collector and if you're patient. It still amazes me how much these guns have increased in value. |
Posted By: JimeJ
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2011 at 4:19pm
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Thanks for the welcome. I'm certain that most of you here are familiar with a number of different weapons and have experienced a newbie come along with the same type question. There's a two day show in Las Vegas starting today and I'm going to go up for a couple hours each day.
If I sell it, I probably won't come around anymore, except to let you all know what it sold for. I hope that's acceptable. Thanks again.
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Posted By: JimeJ
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2011 at 4:36pm
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[QUOTE=JimeJ]Thanks for the welcome. I'm certain that most of you here are familiar with a number of different weapons and have experienced a newbie come along with the same type question. There's a two day show in Las Vegas starting today and I'm going to go up for a couple hours each day.
If I sell it, I probably won't come around anymore, except to let you all know what it sold for. I hope that's acceptable. Thanks again.
I forgot to post why I'm selling it. It has been in the box since I fired it in '86 and I think that's a crime. Heck I could die and it might just get thrown out with my old tennis shoes!
I wouldn't go to a firing range 'cuz I don't know where one is.......
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Posted By: JimeJ
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2011 at 3:39am
| Hey guys - Just wanted to give update on my trip to the gunshow. I stopped by almost every booth there and there were comments like, "cool gun" and "wow that's nice" and "I've read about these but never saw one". When asked how much, I said $1600. The only offer I had was for $1200 and I passed. I'll go back tomorrow to try again........ |
Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2011 at 2:59pm
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You have to find the right collector. Even at a Big Show like I assume Los Vegas is, he might not be there.
Your best bet would be Gunbroker .com if you are going to get $1500+ in my opinion.
Put it in the classified section on this Forum. I know there are guys here that would like to have it.
Good luck with yor sale.
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