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   Now I really have a  few questions, I did look in the magazine and found the story about YOUR Baby Automag. It clearly shows your serial number as XP02 (as you stated) you say XP01 went to Harry. How many others were there made using just the XP prefix with a two digit number? Who made the Baby Automags with the XP-001(xp prefix dash three digit numbers) and why would they make another run of XP's using three digit numbers? I do love the Baby Automags as they shoot and balance great for me. 
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You mention thinking of making up some BBL/Receivers and all that Ruger issue and others mention the Tactical Solutions Pac-Lite BBL/Receiver not having this issue(at least not in public view). Lets just say it's now ok to do(your letter is dated '96, maybe some things have changed since), I would think making a whole items would be a better idea then just the BBL/receiver as putting your BBL/Receiver on a RUGER frame just wouldn't do it justice! I love Ruger BUT this thing about rights is not even close to the people who know Firearms. It's like saying dodge and chev copied ford cause they all have 4 wheels.

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XP001 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Callahan's Auto Mag Joined: 02 Jan 2012 Status: Offline Points: 588	Post Options Post Reply Quote XP001 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 02 Jan 2012 at 10:42pm
	Now I really have a few questions, I did look in the magazine and found the story about YOUR Baby Automag. It clearly shows your serial number as XP02 (as you stated) you say XP01 went to Harry. How many others were there made using just the XP prefix with a two digit number? Who made the Baby Automags with the XP-001(xp prefix dash three digit numbers) and why would they make another run of XP's using three digit numbers? I do love the Baby Automags as they shoot and balance great for me. Last question You mention thinking of making up some BBL/Receivers and all that Ruger issue and others mention the Tactical Solutions Pac-Lite BBL/Receiver not having this issue(at least not in public view). Lets just say it's now ok to do(your letter is dated '96, maybe some things have changed since), I would think making a whole items would be a better idea then just the BBL/receiver as putting your BBL/Receiver on a RUGER frame just wouldn't do it justice! I love Ruger BUT this thing about rights is not even close to the people who know Firearms. It's like saying dodge and chev copied ford cause they all have 4 wheels.

sirsaka Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Callahan's Auto Mag Joined: 06 Jan 2009 Location: Nome, AK Status: Offline Points: 828	Post Options Post Reply Quote sirsaka Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 Jan 2012 at 2:36am
	I made 12 BAM"s in all, if my memory serves me at all. 11 w/ribs and 1 without. The first gun did not make the grade due to the rib problem I mention in the story. However, my brother did end up getting that one and swore by its accuracy, although it shoots about a foot high at about 25 ft or so. That particular one is back in my hands now, since my brother passed away. It does not hold an XP prefix. All XP's went to management @ AMT except for the very last two. I made the sillouette BAM that I posted in a separate thread sometime after all the barrels were used up. The last XP with a rib went to a very good friend of Harry's who just had to have one after the article came out. His name was Joe Herrara (I think). I believe he worked for J&G sales. He had a friend with him when he picked up the gun who's name I believe was Mark. We had mutual interests that made it good for both of us. I wanted a Ruger Mini 14 Ranch Rifle, so he brought me in a new rifle to AMT and we traded straight across in the front office with Harry present and when AMT was still in Covina, CA. I also signed a copy of the June '85 issue of G&A for Joe & Mark. Hope this helps.

XP001 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Callahan's Auto Mag Joined: 02 Jan 2012 Status: Offline Points: 588	Post Options Post Reply Quote XP001 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 Jan 2012 at 3:58am
	That's good to know, so 11 XP 2 digit firearms were made. Now what about the xp 3 digit firearms? What about making another complete set of BAM's, like it was said here, why would "Tactical Solutions" make pac-lite bbl/receivers and not have issues or they solved them somehow. Let us know about this cause I'm sure you can sell 500-1000 limited sets, depending on price. I know some will buy them knowing you would make it a limited set but don't think it would hold up as a full blown production item as I'm sure the costs would make others buy cheaper production shooters but NOT us am'ers! I know I would buy a Full Blown Baby Automag, Made like the prototypes with all the bells and whistles. Most people don't know the difference between them. Got any pics you can post of? Thanks very much for your time and history of this item.

sirsaka Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Callahan's Auto Mag Joined: 06 Jan 2009 Location: Nome, AK Status: Offline Points: 828	Post Options Post Reply Quote sirsaka Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 Jan 2012 at 2:56pm
	I have an e-mail into Tactical Solutions to see if there is any agreement between them and Ruger. Sometimes its not what you know but who you know. The fact the Ruger isn't all over them gives me pause. I'll be interested in their response. With that said, I'm not set up for any full blown BAM manufacturing...yet. Funding would be a key factor in getting something like this up and running, even though it is considered small scale. There is so much in tooling up and in producing all the parts. There is some metal stamping and assembly that would take alot of up-front money in order to accomplish. Evem if I get a good report from Tactical, as much as I would love to make more "Baby's", there is a bit of a reality check here for me. One option that I could consider is buying the components from Tactical, if they would go for such a thing. Mod the frames and bolts as I did @ AMT for the XP's and make the barrels from scratch. Just a thought as I'm typing and waking up this morning. As far as the original XP's are concerned, there were a couple of three digit serial numbers as my memory recalls. A little tidbit of info here if you bear with me. When I asked Larry to engrave the serial numbers, I stated I wanted "XP01", etc. A few management personnel had their own specific (same) number that they used on every gun they received from AMT. Although it would be inappropriate to go into which numbers they were, I can tell you that a couple were two digits. So...long story even longer, because Larry thought I wanted "XP0" for every gun, three digits were used for thes two digit numbers (XP0xx, etc). I wanted only two digits on all XP's but a miscommunication on my part gave us a couple of three digit serial numbers. Confusing? Sorry if so. But it is history and I thought I'd set the record straight, since you asked.

usrguns Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Callahan's Auto Mag Joined: 09 Mar 2008 Location: Pensacola, ,Fl Status: Offline Points: 950	Post Options Post Reply Quote usrguns Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 Jan 2012 at 7:32pm
	As far as I know Tatical Solutions does not sell complete guns, only the Barrel replacements. You use your existing reciever/bolt and build the gun, at least that is what I did for my 3. Other than that I think they might do some rifles, but they are on ruger recievers. Not completly sure
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XP001 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Callahan's Auto Mag Joined: 02 Jan 2012 Status: Offline Points: 588	Post Options Post Reply Quote XP001 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 Jan 2012 at 8:33pm
	Here's a couple pics

sirsaka Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Callahan's Auto Mag Joined: 06 Jan 2009 Location: Nome, AK Status: Offline Points: 828	Post Options Post Reply Quote sirsaka Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 Jan 2012 at 11:59pm
	XP001...This gun is frighteningly so close to mine down to the etching. The etching is identical which tells me it was made at the factory. The reason is because there are 4 different factory stencils used, as I did with my XP's. FYI- The "CUSTOM 22 L.R./H.V." line is from AMT's .22 Back Up pistol stencil. That proves to me that this pistol was indeed made at the factory by someone who was qualified and had the ways and means to do the job well. This is very interesting to me, confusing and somewhat troubling.

XP001 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Callahan's Auto Mag Joined: 02 Jan 2012 Status: Offline Points: 588	Post Options Post Reply Quote XP001 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 Jan 2012 at 1:42am
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