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Originally posted by Rumore Rumore wrote:

The whole design sucks.  It might be better to just cut off the entire long skinny shaft, run a reamer down the cobbled up spring bore hole in the frame to smooth the walls, then use a spring of the correct diameter that fills the hole so it can't deform and worm up in the hole.  Maybe run a second counter-wound spring inside of the main one and make a new short strut with a round base to press down on the dual spring setup with a little short tit to keep it centered.

Just my thoughts....but what do I know.

Maybe Kincel will hop in here and give us his two cents on a real fix.

Tony Rumore
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Actually, the Automag III .30 Carbine is a 'Fun Gun' to shoot.  It is the most intriguing of firearms I have ever had occasion to fire, except for maybe the Barret .50 BMG or a custom Remington .458 Win PISTOL.

"Sucks" is NOT a fair assessment, But having some 'quirks' most certainly IS.  Their Hammer Strut was definitely a screw-up, But it seems functional and reliable as long as the operator does not have a brain pfart and allow the hammer to drop when the slide is removed <which I probably have done>. 

Sounds like Kinsel may be the go-to fellow here?  I'd like to hear from him as well.

The solution you suggest sounds 'like an Okie thing', sorta like digging a post hole in quicksand with a D-8 Caterpillar. Wink  BTW- I was a born-"Okie" most probably before you so I can make fun of 'us'  Ouch   Thanks!
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I don't know if I have any answers, I think Tony and I would come up with the same or at least similar fix. 

Fine blanked stamp components was the norm for AMT/IAI, especially in the later years. No special materials were used. As Harry would say, "use any material, as long as it's stainless". So, the original strut material is probably the hardest stainless material take still could be fine blank stamped. 

I would probably do exactly what Tony mentioned. I would probably turn a new strut on the lathe, keeping it as thick as possible. Hard as possible, without being brittle. 

It would be nice to convert it to the AM1 strut, cup and double spring design. I don't know off hand if the frame could support those components or modification. 

I would do baby steps, until something works. Keep It Simple Stupid.. 

Eric

Originally posted by OneWay OneWay wrote:

Originally posted by Rumore Rumore wrote:

The whole design sucks.  It might be better to just cut off the entire long skinny shaft, run a reamer down the cobbled up spring bore hole in the frame to smooth the walls, then use a spring of the correct diameter that fills the hole so it can't deform and worm up in the hole.  Maybe run a second counter-wound spring inside of the main one and make a new short strut with a round base to press down on the dual spring setup with a little short tit to keep it centered.

Just my thoughts....but what do I know.

Maybe Kincel will hop in here and give us his two cents on a real fix.

Tony Rumore
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Actually, the Automag III .30 Carbine is a 'Fun Gun' to shoot.  It is the most intriguing of firearms I have ever had occasion to fire, except for maybe the Barret .50 BMG or a custom Remington .458 Win PISTOL.

"Sucks" is NOT a fair assessment, But having some 'quirks' most certainly IS.  Their Hammer Strut was definitely a screw-up, But it seems functional and reliable as long as the operator does not have a brain pfart and allow the hammer to drop when the slide is removed <which I probably have done>. 

Sounds like Kinsel may be the go-to fellow here?  I'd like to hear from him as well.

The solution you suggest sounds 'like an Okie thing', sorta like digging a post hole in quicksand with a D-8 Caterpillar. Wink  BTW- I was a born-"Okie" most probably before you so I can make fun of 'us'  Ouch   Thanks!
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Shot 50 rounds with my home made hammerstrut today and I just checked it. Looks still exactly like before Smile 
Time will tell how it holds up, but I guess that it will be fine for a long time if I don’t pull the trigger with the slide removed. 
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Originally posted by Yellow Yellow wrote:

Shot 50 rounds with my home made hammerstrut today and I just checked it. Looks still exactly like before Smile 
Time will tell how it holds up, but I guess that it will be fine for a long time if I don’t pull the trigger with the slide removed. 


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Happy to hear that worked out for you. My .080 Chromoly is coming and I will make a spare from it.  Hopefully it will work out as well as yours did.
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I don't know if I have any answers, I think Tony and I would come up with the same or at least similar fix. 

Fine blanked stamp components was the norm for AMT/IAI, especially in the later years. No special materials were used. As Harry would say, "use any material, as long as it's stainless". So, the original strut material is probably the hardest stainless material take still could be fine blank stamped. 

I would probably do exactly what Tony mentioned. I would probably turn a new strut on the lathe, keeping it as thick as possible. Hard as possible, without being brittle. 

It would be nice to convert it to the AM1 strut, cup and double spring design. I don't know off hand if the frame could support those components or modification. 

I would do baby steps, until something works. Keep It Simple Stupid.. 

Eric

Much appreciated, Sir
The information on Hard Stainless and untreated, stamped parts is good to know.  I may be wrong but I don't think this strut was SS? Possibly was a repro part as it was owned once previously. As I said, I no longer have a lathe so wing my way around best as I can anymore.  I have some 4130 Chromoly 'normalized' stock coming just to make a spare.  Current one has been heated enough to straighten the stem and tossed in motor oil.  I believe it should last awhile as I don't shoot all the time like I did before I also left my gun ranges behind with the machine tools. Cry
If I discover there is a problem with the un-heat treated 4130, I'll tinker with hardening it.

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One Way,

You may be be right. I'm far from being an expert in the AMT 2, 3, 4 or 5. I'm not an expert of the AM 1, but it'd the way I have way too much time with. Like the original AM, the whole AM series seem to be "mass produced prototypes". Not one is the same.

Either way, I'm glad that your fix it working, so far..

Take care,

Eric

Originally posted by OneWay OneWay wrote:

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Much appreciated, Sir
The information on Hard Stainless and untreated, stamped parts is good to know.  I may be wrong but I don't think this strut was SS? Possibly was a repro part as it was owned once previously. As I said, I no longer have a lathe so wing my way around best as I can anymore.  I have some 4130 Chromoly 'normalized' stock coming just to make a spare.  Current one has been heated enough to straighten the stem and tossed in motor oil.  I believe it should last awhile as I don't shoot all the time like I did before I also left my gun ranges behind with the machine tools. Cry
If I discover there is a problem with the un-heat treated 4130, I'll tinker with hardening it.

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One Way,

You may be be right. I'm far from being an expert in the AMT 2, 3, 4 or 5. I'm not an expert of the AM 1, but it'd the way I have way too much time with. Like the original AM, the whole AM series seem to be "mass produced prototypes". Not one is the same.

Either way, I'm glad that your fix it working, so far..

Take care,

Eric

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Even though this AM III .30 Carbine is my most intriguing 'plaything', having now realized this quirk about them I would hesitate in grab it up if my life depended on it.  I am an OLD LawDog and anything that gets tucked under my belt will be something that will ALWAYS work.  This fire-dragon needs a lot of proofing before being employed in that capacity.

Altho this .30 Blowtorch fired in the night at an home invader would probably negate having to actually hit them to make 'em 'beat-feet' .. Clap

Take Care, and Thanks

[For inquiring minds] Incidentally, the sear spring that gets leverage from riding on a molded ring on the right side of the hammer (which drops down when hammer is removed to access the hammer strut) is a bear to re-engage until figuring out how.  After thinking about it awhile I realized it could be done by pulling the sear pin just far enough to allow the spring coil to clear then re-inserting the spring (after the hammer is re-installed) with one leg up over said ring on the hammer and the other against the sear face. Carefully, through the sear hole in the right side of the frame with a small pin punch adjust the spring coil to the center and slide the sear pin back into position.  Whoopie!

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I heard back from my friend at the machine shop. He showed a pic of the strut to his supervisor and it turns out they made a run of these 11 years ago. They couldn’t find the machining file but they should be able to do a run after I get my strut to them. I’ll let you know how and when you can order one. I’m hoping the cost will be $30 or less. 
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If this is true, I'd be in for 2-3 myself.  You know, "just in case".
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I dropped my strut off at my friends house today. The company he works for makes suppressor parts, aviation parts, and custom gun parts, so I don’t think they will have any trouble manufacturing the struts. They sell things directly off their website. I will update when I know more.
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