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golden24
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Posted: 28 Aug 2019 at 9:47pm |
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That does not appear to be a factory barrel. In fact, I could be wrong but I do not think there were any 10 1/2" Pasadena barrels made.
Looks like someone was trying to copy the silhouette barrel profile from the "B" series.
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Posted: 28 Aug 2019 at 9:55pm |
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Here is a silhouette barrel along side a 6 1/2" VR barrel.
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I picked that up about 1977 or 79 ? anyway from the North Hollywood shop. It was a very small sales shop for Auto Mag
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Very interesting but before my time. Bruce was hanging around there then, perhaps he can shed some light on the Pasadena stencil.
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Posted: 29 Aug 2019 at 3:14pm |
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That would be cool. As you can tell my wife has young hands in these images... ![]() I remember the N.H. shop was off of ether Vineland or Cahuenga. I still live in the area but closer to Studio City now.
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Posted: 29 Aug 2019 at 4:33pm |
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I first went to B&B Sales in North
Hollywood in Feb of 1972. The Kahn
brothers started running their operation out of an apartment in Sherman Oaks
before moving into their first North Hollywood location. They later moved to their final location on
Oxnard St in NH. B&B had a small warehouse on
Vanowen St in NH but it was just used for storing Auto Mag accessories and
shipping. No public access was
allowed. It was just a space in an
industrial shop complex. There was a small gun shop on Vineland
near Saticoy in NH that had a few AM's and the owner loaded his own ammo. The guy hated Auto Mags. The ammo was loaded to Kent Lomont
specifications and broke my grips on the first shot. I loaded my own after that. I don't see a Pasadena accelerator or
block on the barrel in question. The
rear sight platform and blade could also be later made but I can't see them. I agree with Beemer that this appears
to be a "custom" barrel on a NH frame. The black spotted frame is the indication of
this. The front "Silhouette" sight
shows it was made much later than Pasadena days. The receiver could have started life as a
Pasadena or it was later marked that way by the "guys in the back
room." This is not the first one of these I
have seen. In the 80's there was an
auction house in Van Nuys that advertised an Auto Mag to be offered. I went to the auction. The gun was a legitimate Pasadena with the
6.5" barrel that was offered as an "extra" to go with the
gun. The Pasadena frame was fitted with
an 8.5 or 10.5" 44 barrel marked Pasadena.
I remember the seller said that it was a legitimate barrel. He said you could tell by the markings. He said that the "M&M" on the
receiver was for M&M manufacturing.
The seller said that they made the barrel for Harry Sanford. He pointed to the AM logo on the
receiver. Put a guy behind a counter =
he becomes an expert and everything you know is wrong. I would put the 8.5" barrel on the
gun and regard the 10.5" "Pasadena" barrel as a
"custom" barrel. No
worries. Just don't spin some story
about how this was a factory barrel made for Harry and was used on several
African safaris. I hope there is some paperwork on the
gun. If not, document what you were told
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Posted: 29 Aug 2019 at 4:41pm |
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Thanks Bruce.
Have you ever seen an AMP with a crown cut like that before? It looks like what the New Company is doing.
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Bob Barbasiewicz did this on his custom barrels. He moved the front sight back far enough to provide a proper crown. That may be why he pinned on his sights on. The factory just pressed the front sight on flush with the muzzle. This way they could drill a horizontal hole, between the sight blade and the barrel, to fill with weld to secure the blade to the barrel. Patrick is going to provide a proper crown.
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I had bought this barrel separate from the original unit that came with a 6.5 Pasadena barrel. I remember when I walked in the N.H. shop there was a glass display case on the left hand side & the 10.5" Pasadena barrel was there & I bought it. I don't remember how much & I don't have any paper work .....bummer
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