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Luc V.
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Posted: 07 Aug 2025 at 10:12am |
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Hahaha... Those magazines seems to bring more questions than answers...
Below some pictures of my two magazines for the AMT-III, hard to tell from a picture, but the slot at the back is different: My 30cal mag has a WIDER slot on the back. The facts/numbers: And the 9mm WinMag: ![]() I just used the 9mm mag once in my pistol, gave nothing but trouble so never used it again. That is how I bought it, never took it apart so no chanche of a mix-up the internals. |
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Posted: 07 Aug 2025 at 12:55pm |
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No idea why I can’t upload any pictures anymore, I always get this message:
Error uploading file!!. The file failed the security scan and has been deleted as it may contain malicous code I have 3 automag iii’s in 30 carbine with 5 magazines, and they all have the longer flat part in the front. All 5 magazines are like the one on the LEFT of the first picture in this post. Now that I think about it, I had a AMT automag iii that blocked every time when shooting, and that one had a magazine with the shorter flat part in the front. The 3 guns that I still have are all IAI. Maybe that has something to do with it? |
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Posted: 07 Aug 2025 at 1:09pm |
I understand why you assumed what I meant, but if you read again what I wrote and if you look at the picture in that thread again, I actually meant the opposite ![]() So my 30 carbine magazines look like John Lodahl’s 30 carbine magazines… |
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Luc V.
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Posted: 07 Aug 2025 at 3:33pm |
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I have no idea why this site refuse to upload picture sometimes...
It also happens to me (not often) but when it happens I always fix it like this: 1-On you computer open the "refused" picture. 2-Click on edit picture and adjust anything on this picture, I usual change the brightness or contrast with 1 point and click the "save picture". 3- Upload that same picture again and will be working. Don't ask me why but for me it works...
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Posted: 07 Aug 2025 at 8:07pm |
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Ok this is really strange. I tried shrinking the image to about 1/10th of its original size, I tried giving it more light, also making it a bit blue-ish, saving it as a bmp, jpg, png etc, and nothing worked. I try cutting off the guns, and it works from the first time… So hereby the picture of my 5 .30carbine mags…
They all have the same type of follower. The previous owner of the first magazine has glued a little piece of white plastic where the follower catches the slidestop. I guess it has something to do with the angle of the follower. You can clearly see that the follower of the other 4 mags sits slightly higher in the front. Works perfect like this. No feeding issues with any of the mags.
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Posted: 07 Aug 2025 at 8:12pm |
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Really strange! As long as you can see a complete gun on the picture, it won’t upload. When you cut just a little piece off, it works. ![]()
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Posted: 08 Aug 2025 at 3:40am |
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Well, this is odd for sure..... Here are 5 mags. One of the orange follower ones is Mike's, the other 3 orange followers are mine. The one with the black follower is for my AMT-III 9mm WM. ![]() I've been trying to figure this out with Mike. Mike mentioned (and Mike, please correct me if i am wrong), that he has an AMT-III 30 Carbine. Two of his mags fit and function great, and one "drags" as soon as it is inserted into in his magwell. He mailed it to me for comparison. So, I measured his with my three 30 carbine mags, and my 9mm WM mag. Here are my numbers (below). When I say "lip", that is measuring the back of the mag, the "U" shaped area (that Luc measured and posted above). Note, my "lip" measurements are just the opposite of Luc's measurements. I checked all 5 mags in my IAI 30 carbine. They all insert with no "drag". They all "fall out" into my hand when the mag release button is pressed. I checked all 5 mags in my AMT 9mm WM. Again, they all insert with no "drag". They all "fall out" into my hand when the mag release button is pressed. All 5 fit without drag in both my pistols. Mike is having "drag" issues with 1 of his three mags (the one he sent me), and no drag issues with the other 2. With all this being said, is it possible, just maybe, that Mike's AMT III 30 Carbine is actually a 9mm WM frame with the 30 carbine upper? Could my IAI 30 carbine, and AMT 9mm WM, both have 30 carbine frames and different uppers? This would explain why the "larger" magazine "drags" in Mike's, and not in either of mine? Mike and I both agree that it wouldn't make financial sense to actually cast 2 different frames to accommodate the 2 different calibers for a magwell difference of approximately 0.025". (Sort of the same concept for the AMT-IV in 45 WIN MAG and 10MM Mag. It's assumed that both of those frames are the same too, right? In fact, isn't the AMT-V in 50 AE the same frame as the AMT-IV?) Maybe in the beginning AMT had 2 different frames cast, then later (because of the whole AMT / IAI fiasco's) just went with the one "larger" frame and 2 different uppers to accommodate both caliber sizes? ![]() Here is a 9mm WM round inserted in a presumed 30 carbine magazine. ![]() The different dimensions in the mags make sense if you look at the dimension of the rounds. The dimensions at the base of the 9mm is 0.391". The 30 carbine has a base width of 0.356". This would explain why a 9mm magazine has a larger "U" shaped area in the back, and the 30 carbine is smaller. I hope all this makes sense...... |
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Luc V.
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Posted: 08 Aug 2025 at 10:29am |
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Hi John, thanks for all this work and info!
You probably found the answer... While I never did much with "my" 9mm magazine, I took it out to check if there is a difference in size. Guess what, "my" 9mm mag does also drag when insert it into my AMT frame! The original mag that came with the pistol drops free when pushed on the mag-release button. I never noticed there was a difference in size of the mags... So,... are the frames different between AMT and IAI???? Anyhow, below some pictures from my two mags with a .30M1 Carbine cartridge in it. The round in the top magazine does not sit as it should to me. It has little contact with the feedlips. The bottom one is my 30cal mag and the round sits correct to the feedlips. I use this mag without problems. That is why I tought I had a 9mm mag, but now I know nothing anymore. ![]() The rear of the .30 round is to low to feed well, the top of the round is to high in "my" 9mm mag. =problem. Both magazines loaded with .30M1 round, Red sticker on mag is my .30 mag |
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Luc V.
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Posted: 11 Aug 2025 at 6:25pm |
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I'm start to think there are no .30 carbine or 9mm Magnum magazines, only AMT or IAI magazines ?????
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Posted: 11 Aug 2025 at 11:01pm |
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Yep, i think you have solved the mistery!
There are more differences between iai and amt guns, at least the ones I have or had. The ejection port of the amt iii that I had was cut further to the left side of the gun than any of the iai’s, and also the barrel was a few millimeters longer than the barrel of my iai’s. So it wouldn’t surprise me if the frames and magazines are also not exactly the same!
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