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Topic: 44 AMP BRASS
Posted By: TC357MAX
Subject: 44 AMP BRASS
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2010 at 1:33pm
Anyone have any old Automag brass around that they want to sell? I can't find brass anywhere. Thanks



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Posted By: montrose981
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2010 at 10:48pm
midway has starline brass in there catalog for $37.99 per 100 rds


Posted By: Gerry
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2010 at 12:19am
Guys
I have been waiting for about a year for a pack of 500, 44 AMP. Good Luck!
 
Gerry


Posted By: tgt40
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2010 at 1:52am
Out of curiosity, any idea:
a) what Starline's order number is
b) rough idea what we're in for?

I've got an order in for 300.


Posted By: Yoshi
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2010 at 2:30am
3-5 years ago, I called Starline to see the availability of nickel plated brass for .44AMP. The lady on the phone told me that their minimum is 500,000. Yes, 500k, and this was when they had regular .44AMP brass available on their shelf.

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Posted By: montrose981
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2010 at 4:46am
 ok guys ... was not trying to start a fight..... i have a full size midway catalog and they list 44 auto mag brass... their order number is .. product number 352-416
 i just when to thier site and it shows in stock  by 11/26/2010....
   Clap


Posted By: Yoshi
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2010 at 6:11am
Unfortunately, Midway's back in stock date is one of the most unreliable data these days. As Gerry keeps posting, it's been revised many times. I had same issue with them on CCI Magnum Primers and leaned not to trust their words.
 
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Posted By: jw4570
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2010 at 10:55am
It's not in stock.  I've had mne on order a while too. 
 
I do have a C-H 4D case forming set, and 50 pieces of CDM I might be willing to sell.  Then you could make your brass, have a little to use until it becomes available again.  Only sell it together though.  I had a previous deal for this and a set of loading dies fall through.
 
email me at jw4570$verizon.net
 
replace the "$" with "@"
 
Jason


Posted By: TC357MAX
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2010 at 7:04pm
That is hard to believe Starline can only make 1/2 million at a time. Where does Corbon get their brass? I tried Graf and Sons, Bluestar Cartridge, and Midway all out all on backorder.
 
Maybe we can get Kodiak to buy a batch of brass. They could probably make more money selling brass than pistols.
 
I have cut some 308 cases in the past, that a real pain.


Posted By: Gerry
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2010 at 1:27am
You would think with backorders and a renewed production of the 44 AMP, that Starline would wake up. As Tony R. informed us, they are not the most pleasant people to work with.
I will let everybody know if I ever get mine.
Happy Thanksgiving to all and your families. 2010 was a bad year in my neck of the woods. Better days ahead.
Gerry


Posted By: tgt40
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2010 at 2:31am
Hmmm a half million.....well that'd be enough.....I guess.....  Wow though, that's a mess o' brass for sure.  Maybe we'll see some after Kodiak ramps up.

Happy Thanksgiving guys!


Posted By: Yoshi
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2010 at 2:44am
When I heard about the 500k minimum thing, I simply thought that they are not interested in making anything other than what they think to make.
 
For a fairness, the lady who took my call was prompt, polite, and I did not have any negative feeling.
 
Will see what happens to Midway due date.
 
Have a happy Thanksgiving.


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Posted By: AMPfan112
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2010 at 6:33pm
you can find .308 winchester very easily 500 count for 100 bucks seems very reasonable. you just have to cut it and resize it a couple of times not that hard.


Posted By: tgt40
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2010 at 2:09am
I'm not against crafting some from 308 brass but there's some concern about what neck reamer to use.  I thought I read something bad about Forster's 432 reamer? 

What size reamer should be used?


Posted By: Gerry
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2010 at 2:02am

I think I tried that once and the brass was useless.

Today is our Thanksgiving, if I get a chance , I will measure my RCBS reamer and post it.
Good Luck.
Gerry


Posted By: tgt40
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2010 at 2:20am
Well happy Thanksgiving once again!  Hope you have a great one. 

As for making brass the old school way, I have to admit, it's a curiosity as much as anything.  I want to see if I can do it!  I've got a Forster trimmer but I heard the forster neck reamers were not very good?  Surprising since I always considered Forster to be top notch.




Posted By: Gerry
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2010 at 7:35pm

Sorry for the delay, I had to go SHOPPING! UGH

I got out my RCBS vintage reamer. I inserted a reformed 44 AMP case and measured the reamer and it was .425-.426.
As for Forester products, I have never had a problem with the several reamers I own.
Go Luck!
Gerry


Posted By: jw4570
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2010 at 1:21am
Well, the thing to do is use the cut off die, then run the case in a tapered expander (especially if using 30-06), then run it in the ream die and ream.  Other wise, you will ream and once fireformed, the case may never return to be proper neck tension.
 
 
Other problem is once you cut the case that far down, it's hard to know whether the ID is concentric with the OD, so if you inside ream using a reamer like the a case trimmer, it might be off center.  Anyway, there are a lot of things to consider when forming brass no matter what method you use.
 
 
If you want, you can buy my CH4D case forming set (I have an RCBS I use other wise but reamed about 100 pieces with the CH4D when I got my Automag) and 50 pieces of CDM for $150 delivered in the US.  USPS Money Order only.  I think there is one dented case in the lot of CDM.  No, reaming isn't fun.  Biggest problem is getting the hang of it and keeping the case from spinning in the die.  That's where the expander comes in.
 
You can try the reamer, and see how it goes.  If you have a mini-lathe, you can cut and ream using a boring bar too.  It's slow, but might give you 50 cases to work with.
 
 


Posted By: tgt40
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2010 at 2:11am
Thanks Gerry, I think for the price of a reamer, I'll give it a go


Posted By: Gerry
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2010 at 11:51pm
Somewh.ere, I scanned in the original forming instructions from RCBS. I can send them to you if you want.
Good Luck.
I will be watching the Calgary Flames vs Detroit Red Wings this winter.
Gerry


Posted By: tgt40
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2010 at 4:01am
Hah!  Not much competition from the Flames this year!  


Posted By: Auto Mag
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2010 at 2:47pm

Is anyone so desperate for brass that they are looking for used brass and or loaded ammo that needs to be pulled apart for the brass (loads unknown) ???



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Posted By: tgt40
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2010 at 3:21pm
Unfortunately, yes.

Ermm


Posted By: bbqncigars
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2010 at 3:08am
Unfortunately, when you gotta have brass, sometimes you have to roll your own.  I had to do this a few months ago to feed my 25-20WCF, but that was a trivial necking down operation.  Making AMP cases from scratch is more than I'm willing to do these days.  I'm glad I stocked up on brass when Midway had the 500 count boxes in stock.  (and no, I don't have any extra to part with).  Moral of the story is stock up when possible, especially on precious metal. ;-)


Wayne


Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2010 at 9:28pm
I sent an e-mail to Starline Brass on Saturday asking for an approximate date of delivery on 44 AMP brass.  I just got an email from Debbie Beischer saying they should be delivering by the end of January.  She did not say what year though, but I assume next month.  Let's hope anyway.


Posted By: Gerry
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2011 at 8:27pm

The Starline website is saying the end of January 2011 and Midway is saying early Feb for my now 15 month backorder. Just in time for my b-day.

As is this is crazy, I was looking to reload some 44 AMP and looked through my brass box and found 30 new Norma cases I purchased back in the day. Just goes to show you that hording sometimes pays off.
Have a Happy New Year, have many trigger pulls and a good time.
Gerry


Posted By: tgt40
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2011 at 11:52pm
Wow!  This would indeed make it a Happy New Year.!!


Posted By: Conny
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2011 at 7:54am
Ok, I just want to gloat to all of you that I have 1,750 New Starline cases bought 8 years ago. I'm having 1,000 loaded in .44 with the Hornady 240gr. HP/XTP bullet and 750 in .357 with the Hornady ????? bullet. I am very happy I stocked up when the brass was available. Of course, that was 8 years ago.
Allrighty then, what's a very good grain bullet in .357?


Posted By: jw4570
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2011 at 12:06pm
Conny,
 
are you going hunting or shooting?
 
For the 357 AMP, I use the Remington 158gr JSP.  It's easier to get the gun to funciton with the 158, and the one I shot the deer with did fine.  I know some will say you need a HP.
 
I have loaded the 125 and 158gr JSP Remingtons with good success.  And they are inexpensive to boot.
 
JW


Posted By: Conny
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2011 at 4:01pm
Thanks JW,
I'll look into Remington bullets. Actually, the majority of this ammo will be packed and stored for future use. Some of the ammo will be used for evaluation/testing. Some will be used for blowing up small game and some used for larger game for meat consumtion. I may sell some but that's iffy. Thanks again.


Posted By: Gerry
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2011 at 1:26am
Like JW, who hooked me on the 357 AMP, I favor the 140 gr bullet. I bought a of bunch of the 140 gr Remington befor the discontinued the line. Bad Karma.
This spring , I going to try of 140 gr lead boolits I bought for Missouri Bulllet works> I got 500 for about $40 including shipping. They are 140gr, 18 Brinell.
I plan on trying them in my TC first and then my AMP if everything works out with 2400.
Will report.
Too cold for  outdoors > 25 degrees.
Happy New Years!
Gerry


Posted By: Auto Mag
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2011 at 2:22am
Gerry,
 
You are planning on using 2400 for 357 AMP???
 
And thats for indoor shooting or outdoor in the winter, or was that summer? Sorry lost track.
 
For the 357 AMP, the only powder other then WW 296 that I had any luck with was AA #9, it pretty good stuff.
 
Tried BlueDot, and it was very tricky, somewhat inconsistant with lots of pressure issues showing up (flat primers, etc).
 
I did not like 2400 nor 4227, both were too dirty and just didnt seem like a good fit.
 
I also tried AA 1680, but it was too slow.
 
I did have some high $$ Norma powder that I did not fully test (work up a good load) but it looked like it had good potential, but the cost was more then double anything else and it came in little cans.
 
I was going to try AA #7, but never did,,,, It might be too fast???
 
But then thats never stopped me,,, See below,,, ;-)
 
Look forward to hearing your results.
 
GH
 


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Posted By: Tony Rumore
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2011 at 2:24am
Well.....there was a time before Starline ever made any brass and that did not stop anyone from shooting their Automag.  Don't be a metrosexual pussy.....just cut down some .308 brass and make your own like we all did for many, many years.
 
Tony Rumore
Tromix
 
 


Posted By: jw4570
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2011 at 2:40am
And if you still had to make your own brass, Automags would be cheaper......
 
I have made my own and would if nothing else was available. Even using my jig setup for my miter saw to cut case close to right length, I much prefer the lazy route and buy starline as long as I can.   It's the reaming I need to make easier now.
 
Tony-any tips for reaming?  The pain is the cases spinning in the reamer die.  ANd I even expanded them prior to reaming.
 
Jason


Posted By: Auto Mag
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2011 at 4:28am
Originally posted by Tony Rumore Tony Rumore wrote:

Well.....there was a time before Starline ever made any brass and that did not stop anyone from shooting their Automag.  Don't be a metrosexual pussy.....just cut down some .308 brass and make your own like we all did for many, many years.
 
Tony Rumore
Tromix
 
 
Point of fact I NEVER had a problem finding Norma or CDM brass before there was a Starline brass and the first batch of Starline brass I got was too short (not to spec) so I just used it for 357 AMP.
 
Now did I want to pay for Norma and CDM brass,,, well that all depended on the going rate and many times the answer was NO WAY, and so I still have a bunch on home-made Auto Mag brass and someday to be Auto Mag brass in waiting!!!
 
So Tony is 100% correct, a lack of Starline brass should not stop anyone from shooting their Auto Mag! There might be a million other reasons some should not be shooting Auto Mags, but access to factory brass should not be high on the list, its just not that hard to make.
 
As JW correctly points out, the bigest PIA is when you get a case spinning in the die, other then that, its just another step in the process, and it aint rocket science.
 
 


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Posted By: Gerry
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2011 at 12:47am
Forming brass from 308 family of cases is an exercise in patient and Zen. It also builds up your grip strength hold the reamer steady.
 
Gerry


Posted By: Gerry
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2011 at 12:52am
GH
My plan is to try the cast boolits in my TC before my AMP. If I can't get them to work in the TC then they go to the 357 Mag gun for some summer fun.
Gerry


Posted By: watchin
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2011 at 4:26am
Haha..'metrosexual pussy' , that's great! First people won't buy the automag because you might have to handload then they won't shoot because they might have to make their own casings. It must be a generational culture shift. Maybe it is just too cold right now to shoot and no one wants to admit that.
-watchin-


Posted By: Tony Rumore
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2011 at 5:32am
Cases spinning in the neck reaming die is a problem.   I dose the die and case down with Roly Solvent Clean (contact cleaner) before running them.  The cases will stick much better in the die that way.  It's a pain in the ass, I know.
 
I bought my first Automag in 1989 when I was 23 years old.  It was $2,000 bucks for a three barrel set, .357, 41, and 44.  That was was a $hit pile of cash at the time.  My dad about had a stroke when I told him.
 
The set came with dies for all three barrels along with a set of case forming dies, but no ammo, and no brass.  I already had an LAR Grizzly and a Desert Eagle, but I assure you....there was no **cking way a shortage of brass was going to keep me from firing my new Automag.  After seeing Clint in Sudden Impact, circa 1984, I was on a mission from god.....and I'm not even religious.
 
I took that gun to a Bullseye shoot at a local club in Waxahachie(sp), TX and with the 8.5" .357 AMP barrel in place, I cleaned everyone's clock.  The old *uck next to me complained to the range master that my gun was a disturbance, so they moved me to the end of the line.  Then when the scores were totaled at the end, and I was the winner, and the old *ucks didn't like it.  The "usual" 70 year old winner complained that bottle neck cartridges were not allowed in Bullseye Comp.  Of course there were no complaints about it, until I won.  The whole group was still huddled around the trophy table arguing about it when I walked off in disgust and left.  I never went back to that club and have never shot bullseye again.  Rant off......
 
Tony Rumore
Tromix
 
P.S. I'm not done yet....this old *uck next to me with his Gold Cup kept spritzing sight black spray paint on his front sight after every *ucking shot.  He would be concentrating on his shot and then when the fire ball erupted from my Automag, he would drop his gun down on the table in disgust, roll his eyes around and give me the serious stink eye.  I would just look back over at him, like "what the *uck are you looking at old man?"
 
Here's a group I shot back then with 7 rounds out of each caliber barrel, hand held at 50 feet.  Unfortunatley that was when I was 23, and I'm 44 now so I doubt that will ever happen again.  But.....the older I get, the better I was...........
 
 
 
 
 
      


Posted By: jw4570
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2011 at 11:30am
Tony,
 
Great story!  And nice shootin'.
 
Jason


Posted By: Luc V.
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2011 at 6:31pm
Yeah, good story Tony.
there are everywere people complaining about 'noises, flashes, muzzleblast etc' untill you ask them to try out your gear...
 
The most interesting comment I got was from someone asking me if it would not bother me if he shot his .22Lr while I was blasting my AMT V...Thumbs%20Up


Posted By: Auto Mag
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2011 at 1:25am
Well Tony, I cant beat the range story, but I think I can beat the deal you got on your first Auto Mag,,, (well sort of,,,)
 
My first was in the mid 80's and I had not see Sudden Impact nor an Auto Mag on any movie or TV show, but I had wanted one ever since I saw the July 74 G & A Auto Mag Story with all the Auto Mag's on the table at the range.
 
Well when I got my first it had no case, no manual, and no ammo, only about 100 pieces of homemade brass and the best part is it was BROKEN! And all for the discounted price of $1800.00 and brother that was a lot of coin in the 80's for a 10 year old pistol,,, Yup, I had NO clue and worst yet, I didnt know I was shooting a broken gun and kept trying to shoot it anyway and couldnt figure out why it cycled so badly and no load worked correctly.
 
I was really Po'd about it all and was ready to throw in the towel and like so many before me and label the Auto Mag a piece of crap and cut my losses and ditch it.
 
Finally between Bruce Stark and the late Col Bob Gideon, the two of them got me up and going and I've been addicted ever since,,, 
 
Oh ya and the broken part was the top ear of the bolt at the back,,, Never thought to look at it until Bruce told me to,,, A new bolt and cocking piece, good brass, solid loading recommendations and a little TLC and I was on my way to spending more money on Auto Mags then I ever dreamed I would have!!!
 
Then came the best line I ever got at the range,,, " I was afraid to come in (to the range) cuz the floor was shaking!"  I believe I was shooting 240 gr with a case full of 296 (maybe 27gr,,,) And yup I think the floor was shaking!!!
 
And to this day I am thankful beyond words to both Bruce and Col Bob for their support and friendship. Both were stand up guys who provided countless hours of invaluable assistance and kindness to a green horn. Sure miss Col Bob, and to Bruce I can only say THANK YOU!!!
 
Well thats my story and I'm sticking to it,,, Well atleast until I forget it (with my rapidly advancing age and all,,, LOL)
 
GH


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Posted By: Gerry
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2011 at 12:42am
I bought my AMP from a gunshop in Detroit that had it on consignment. I was starting to get into IHMSA and saw some shoot there. Jerry Moran told you better get one before  they are all gone. Well, I had just started my first full time job at a whopping $5.75 as Nuclear Medicine Technologist. For $695, I got the gun , case , manual wrenches.
I got my first set of forming and reloading dies for about $30 ea.
Nothing start the jaws a jacking then when you let a good load off immediately by another. The guys at the club know what is coming when they see the case and boxes of ammo.
I once set off a guys car alarm consistently for 45 minutes before he understood what was happening.
Grreat people on this forum!!
Gerry
 


Posted By: Auto Mag
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2011 at 2:08am
Originally posted by Gerry Gerry wrote:

I had just started my first full time job at a whopping $5.75
 
"$5.75" WOW that was like a MILLION dollars!!!
 
My first "real" job was minimum wage at like $2.65 or $2.75 and hour and I remember when it went up to $2.90 man I was doing cartwheels!!!
 
Gas was still under a dollar a gallon back then and my first car was a V8 4 Spd 1969 Mustang fastback and I was shopping for my first "real" handgun and soooo wanted an Auto Mag, but the cost was way out of my league and even my second choice (.45 Govt Colt) was just too much so I "settled" for a 45 LC single action.
 
In hind sight I have no regrets, it was a good way to start shooting big bore and to get into reloading. And besides I eventually got my Colt Govt, and my Auto Mag(s),,,
 
Had to believe you could ever make $2.90 an hour go so far,,, Yup them was good times,,,


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Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2011 at 2:24pm
Originally posted by Gerry Gerry wrote:

I bought my AMP from a gunshop in Detroit that had it on consignment. I was starting to get into IHMSA and saw some shoot there. Jerry Moran told you better get one before  they are all gone. Well, I had just started my first full time job at a whopping $5.75 as Nuclear Medicine Technologist. For $695, I got the gun , case , manual wrenches.
I got my first set of forming and reloading dies for about $30 ea.
Nothing start the jaws a jacking then when you let a good load off immediately by another. The guys at the club know what is coming when they see the case and boxes of ammo.
I once set off a guys car alarm consistently for 45 minutes before he understood what was happening.
Grreat people on this forum!!
Gerry
 
I also was shooting IHMSA back in the late 80's and decided to try a 357 MAX on my Contender.  Talk about noise and flash!  Didn't do any better than with 357 Mag and I didn't get near the complaints from the other competitors.


Posted By: Gerry
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2011 at 10:20pm
I have a 357 Max barrel for my TC Contender and it is fun  to shoot outdoors. With 180 gr bullet and some WW296, you can get some great fun.
During IHMSA era, there was load for the 357 AMP using 180gr bullet that had to be shoot single loaded.
Best I did with did with my 44 AMP was like 10-12 and I hit 4/5 chickens, got too excited.
Awe, the good old days.
 
Gerry 


Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2011 at 3:32pm
I checked the Star line Brass website this AM and the available date for 44 AMP brass has moved to 2-4-11 so we are getting close.


Posted By: Conny
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2011 at 2:23pm
Back ordered until 2/15/2011


Posted By: Auto Mag
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2011 at 1:19am
I'm surprised you guys are having such a hard time finding brass, I really cannot believe that many people are shooting Auto Mags that much,,,
 
Must be a bunch of folks who are just sitting on the brass from the last Starline run???


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Posted By: Conny
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2011 at 2:05am
Some of us do have a few thousand cases laying around. I'm having a couple thousand loaded. It's always good to have extra (everything). Yep, I'm a proud hoarder.


Posted By: Auto Mag
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2011 at 4:30am
Originally posted by Conny Conny wrote:

Some of us do have a few thousand cases laying around. I'm having a couple thousand loaded. It's always good to have extra (everything). Yep, I'm a proud hoarder.
 
Withany luck you will get 8 - 10 reloads from your brass and thats a lot of Auto Mag usage,,, Do you really shoot your Auto Mag that much? At one time I did, but not too much these days. Seems like most here make verry little actual use of their Auto Mags, but then its one of those guns that some folks enjoy owning one and don't ever plan to shoot it. To each his own,,,


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Posted By: Conny
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2011 at 6:42am
Yes sir. When Max is finished with my project, I plan on shooting the hell out of it. Also, I'm planning on a month long trip to Alaska in 2012 and shooting big game. I figure 700 rounds target shooting, 1000 rounds  for the trip and storage another 1000 rounds.
 
My Automag hans't been fired since I have owned it.......about 17 years. Now that I am retired, I'm going to enjoy all the toys (guns, cars, military vehicles, hi-tech camping gear, etc.) acquired in my life. I ain't leaving nothing to my kids.
 
I will post pics when Max's work is complete and the following hunting trip.


Posted By: Auto Mag
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2011 at 1:11pm

I like the way you think!

 

All I can say is ENJOY!!!

 

Not sure what you and Max are working up, but a few suggestions from someone who has shot that many rounds through an Auto Mag, if you don’t want to deal with in the field problems you should ask Max to replace the safety lever retaining ring with a cap screw like LEJ did on some of his guns. I would also strongly recommend Micarta grips, I have never seen a set break and that’s something you cannot say about the factory grips or any aftermarket wood grips. You might also want to have him take a close look at the heli-coils in the cocking piece, if there is any question about them, better to get that behind you now. Same for the little springs throughout the gun, the ejector and extractor springs can become compressed over time and cause problems.

 

Some of these items can be a minor annoyance when you are at home or some local range when shooting mild loads and in small batches, but shooting full power hunting loads and a lot of them in the field you do don’t want your trip ruined by a lost clip or safety plate or weak extractor spring.  Well that’s my unsolicited 2 cents, others may have different opinions,,,

 

Cant wait to see what you guys cook up.



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Posted By: Conny
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2011 at 4:38pm
Thank you for the recommendations.  I am going to replace all the springs. I also have a rare spare parts kit I'll be taking along. Good idea about the grips. I think I noticed a pair on Gunbroker before.
 
What's the problem with the safety lever retaining ring? I didn't know these were problematic.
 
Thank you for the recommendations. I can't afford to have a minor problem in the field which could escalate to a major FUBAR situation.


Posted By: Auto Mag
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2011 at 7:32pm
Hi Conny,
 
The problem with the safety lever retaining ring is they are notorious for coming off, and if you loose one in the field it’s a pain even if it doesn’t cause you to miss a follow-on shot and you still risk loosing the safety plate depending on the fit of your grips.

 

It’s a very simple upgrade to drill and tap the safety lever for a cap screw and then your (potential) problem is gone for good. Max may have even had the cap screw in his original design, not sure, but either way I’m sure he can update your gun to replace the retaining ring.

 

A good tune-up also goes a long way to eliminating failures to feed and eject, or maybe you guys have already taken care of that???

 

Is your AK trip a winter or summer event? I would recommend you test you gun under similar weather conditions to when you plan for the hunt. In the past I had noticed some lubes I was using were a bit temp sensitive (got thicker in the cold) I think it was an expensive 2 Cycle motor oil I was trying at someones recommendation. I currently use either Militec 1 or Mobil 1 full synthetic motor oil in the heaviest weight I can find, but then I don’t shoot outside in the winter any more,,,, Gerry or one of the other members may have other winter conditions lube recommendations. I also seem to recall some ammo issues (pressure increase) when I shot loads that worked very well in the summer and then tried them in below freezing conditions. Not sure what powder it was, but I’m thinking it was either Blue Dot (which I NEVER use in the Auto Mag any more) or maybe it was H-110. I pretty much just stick with WW-296 for the Auto Mag these days.  Again Gerry or one of the more adventurous members can better advise about winter shooting concerns.

 

These are just my opinions, others here will offer up different opinions, use what seems reasonable to you.

 

But then figuring this all out is half the fun, well so long as nothing breaks,,,

 

Best of luck, sounds like you are well on your way to a good time!!!

 
GH
 


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Posted By: Gerry
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2011 at 8:31pm
Isn't that the frustrating thing: you spend time and $$ collecting all this stuff and then the time to reload. Range time is always at a premium. Hope to rearrange my schedule this year for more of it.  A few years from retirement, started casting again to save some $$ for Max's barrel project.
Enjoy your trip Connie.
 
Gerry


Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2011 at 10:12pm
I see they backed the delivery up to 2-18-2011 now at Starline


Posted By: Auto Mag
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2011 at 2:05am
Originally posted by Gerry Gerry wrote:

Isn't that the frustrating thing: you spend time and $$ collecting all this stuff and then the time to reload. Range time is always at a premium. Hope to rearrange my schedule this year for more of it.  A few years from retirement, started casting again to save some $$ for Max's barrel project.
Enjoy your trip Connie.
 
Gerry
No worries about brass, when you retire you will have plenty of time to make AMP brass for other easy to find cases. It's only time consuming not expensive,,, And think of all the fun you will have,,, ;-)

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Posted By: tgt40
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2011 at 2:45am
Well at least we're in the month that the backorder is to be lifted in.....I say it's imminent!  


Posted By: Auto Mag
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2011 at 3:53am
Hummm,,, dont hold your breath,,, or Hope for the best, but dont be surprised by less,,,

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Posted By: tgt40
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2011 at 2:07am
Let's hope the post in "snow" is accurate, I only had to hold my breath one day!!Tongue


Posted By: Auto Mag
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2011 at 4:06am

Hope for the best,,, but as far as holding your breath, well setting a date and taking delivery are still worlds apart,,,

Maybe I should move to Missouri as I am a "show-me" kinda guy,,,
 
And speaking of shipping, any issues with getting loading materials shipped to Canada? I know you folks have some tough gun laws, but have they spread to loading supplys yet.
 
They have here, no mail order loading supplys into MA, we are 100% blocked regardless of the class of license to carry you have. Only businesses can have loading materials shipped to them. Some stupid public safety restriction imposed by the state AG. Its in line with the same public safety restrictions that ban the sale/purchase of handguns that have not passed specific MA AG defined lab tests (drop tests, frame melting point, etc) by an independent testing lab. So you can only imagine how many companies want to pay to have their product MA certified,,, And there is no reasonable way to get used guns tested and certified. Worst yet there are very few ways to grandfather existing guns, there are a few, but very few,,,
 
Just curious if CA is as bad?


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Posted By: Gerry
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2011 at 12:21am

GH

Funny you should ask, but just sent a board member some stuff and it took  almost 3 weeks to get to him in Canada. I was freakin!
If you need anything after your MA commies put the hammer on you: I will drive you what you want from MI. Always wanted to visit the East Coast in the summer or fall.
Gerry


Posted By: Auto Mag
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2011 at 12:54am
No worries yet Gerry, but I appreciate your offer.
 
Come on out and we can test your stamina bare-footing behind the ski boat,,,
 
 
Or maybe we should just "test" a few of the toys,,, Wink
 


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Posted By: tgt40
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2011 at 3:07am
Oddly enough it's not the Canucks to blame here.  The U.S. has set a 100.00 export limit on firearms parts of which they've designated components to share.  It's a sad state fellahs....we have to import through dealers.
The good news is that I've already got my order in with a dealer who's got an order in with Starline.  Hopefully he, and therefore me, have our place in line.




Posted By: tgt40
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2011 at 3:08am
Oh and Gerry, thanks for the trim die!  I'm gonna get some brass one way or the other!


Posted By: Gerry
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2011 at 9:37pm
GH
Since I live in the "Great Lakes State", I see no need to go to MA and be in your boat. I tried water skiing 45 yrs ago and faired poorly. Terra Firma, that's me. If I wanted to risk my life on the water, I could call my brother.
Punching some rounds down range would sound good to me, followed by a cold ones to cool off the barrel.
Gerry


Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2011 at 5:33pm
I just hung up from Debbie at Starline and our brass is ready and shipping today or tomorrow.  She says they are still extremely busy and really are not catching up with demand.


Posted By: Gerry
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2011 at 11:23pm
Try this: Hire some help!
 
Gerry


Posted By: jw4570
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2011 at 11:38pm
I got home and there was a message to call if I still wanted it.  I called and placed my order. 


Posted By: jw4570
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2011 at 10:58pm
P.S.,
 
I forgot to tell you that she said there was no overage made, just the backorder.  Unless people don't pay or cancel, there's no extra.  Though I think some suppliers like Midway and others might pick some up.  I imagine Starline doesn't want to get stuck with a bunch.


Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2011 at 12:33pm
I wonder if Kodiak or The New Auto Mag Company or whatever they go by put in an order?


Posted By: rbuff60
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2011 at 5:58pm
I rec'd 500 rounds of 44 automag brass today
 
Ron


Posted By: jw4570
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2011 at 6:27pm
Ron,
 
That's good news!!!  I hope it works better for you than the other brass you had.
 
JW


Posted By: usrguns
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2011 at 12:01am
Just got FedEx confirmation that 1000 cases are on their way.  I did not have an order in and wanted to see if they made just enough or extra,  I take it they made a little extra.  SO for those that still want some it won't hurt to put in an order!!

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Posted By: jw4570
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2011 at 12:08am
I would put that order in as suggested.  I imagine it will be a long dry spell the next time.  It was what, about 3 years this time.  Last run was 8 years ago, they and all the sources (Grafs, Midway, Blue Star, Etc.) ran out about 3 years ago.


Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2011 at 12:45am
I had a box of 1000 on my doorstep this PM.  Stuff looks good.


Posted By: Gerry
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2011 at 12:53am
I checked my order with Midway and it should ship tomorrow.
I  looked at Starline and they are already taking orders for the next run .
Good Luck!
Gerry


Posted By: jw4570
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2011 at 1:39am
Why not take backorders?  you then have a list of people waiting.  Notice they are running 44 AMP, 44 Special, and 44 Mag all in a row.  Probably uses some of the same equipment setup, ie, more efficient for changeover. 
 
And us 44 AMP people have no where else to turn (except custom brass makers) currently, so when demand slacks, we'll still be waiting for ours.  Reminds me of the annual run of 348 Winchester Brass that Olin made.  They did it and about 6-7 other calibers.  Always in February or so when hunting season was over and everyone was broke from buying the GI Joe with the Kung Fu Grip.  Those who really wanted 348 Win brass had to buy then.  I made $10 on 50 pieces one year (though I sold 1/2 my stash), knowing I could wait a few months and replenish.
 
Ahhh, supply and demand.


Posted By: TC357MAX
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2011 at 5:17pm
You know I checked with Midway Monday afternoon and they had pushed my back order to June 2011. So I got on Starlines site and order 500 pcs. Then that evening I called Midway and gave them heck for not having the brass. They of course said they had no way of knowing when their backorders come in, ect. But funny thing was 15 min later Midway called me and said they did have the brass it just came in and they would ship my order. Finally new brass on the way!!!!!!!!


Posted By: jw4570
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2011 at 3:53pm
I got my brass today.
 
Midway shows it in stock, you can order as few as 100 pieces from them.  Get it while it's around.
 
Jason


Posted By: darrell
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2011 at 10:42pm
For the moment, Calif. is not that bad!?!  Wow, I can't believe that some other state is worse than us!!!  Judge struck down our new ammo law(no out of state purchases) so for now we are status quo.  And we are happy about it.  What is wrong with people.  This is why we need to study the issues and VOTE accordingly.  Then when the elected officals don't do what the people want, FIRE them too.  I don't know about anyone else but I just can't figure out how the middle class is supposed to live... Everything keeps going up, gas, food, clothing, cars, but your pay(if u have a job)keeps declining.  Furlough days, layoffs whatever.  Somethings got to give. 

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Posted By: Gerry
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2011 at 12:11am
Got my brass,500 pieces should last a time.
About California, you are broke. All these legislatures want to balance their budgets on the back of state workers who happen to be in an union. Why don't they look at themselves and start there: their pay and perks we never approved, their staffs and pay and perks, the cost of the government doing the people's business with endless regulations and rules written by lawyers who can't find private sector jobs. Education under attack when American kids are already behind the rest of the world while they cling to an vintage model of the summer off so the kids can work on the farm. What farm did they ever see except at Walt Disney's places.
Good Luck and Good Night    Gerry in the Mitten


Posted By: Auto Mag
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2011 at 2:19am

Hi Gerry,

 

Very well stated!

 

The fix for the wiped out budget isn’t cutting into the workers perks, it’s a loose – loose battle. What was the line from the Mad Max movie,,, Bust a deal, spin the wheel,,, (and suffer the consequence) those people put in their time and that was the deal, don’t like it, well then heres my solution.

 

If you want to fix the problem:

 

  • Get serious about eliminating fraud, waste, and abuse, as this is the jackpot and its really scary as to how much we spend on this madness.
  • Make political positions NO PAY – NO PERKS !!!
  • If reductions in employee perks are required, eliminate the double dipping, no-show jobs, and other wacko benefits that only appointees or other connected individuals end up with. (we corner the market on these here in MA. We have even fired political appointees and given them full retirements from that point forward regardless of their age!)
  • Require warrantees and sureties for all work the states contract out, like a 10 warrantee of all road re-paving so that we don’t keep re-paving the same roads every 2 years, and paying for it!
  • And if additional reductions are still needed, you change the rules for the new employees coming on, not the ones who have already put in 20 or 30 years and now get the plug pulled after working for lower wages their whole career!!!
  • And finally, open the borders to anyone who wants to come in! Don’t get too excited yet,,, I propose that you let anyone in who has no wants/warrants out on them and no violent criminal history. They get a health check, and then get a work card. Then they pay full taxes or maybe even a higher rate as they are not citizens and should not enjoy the same benefits as citizens, and that includes no welfare, no healthcare unless they buy it, and no social security, those perks are for citizens!!! If they don’t like that deal, find a better country to go to. It’s a better deal than we would get if we went anywhere else!!!

 

Well seems easy enough to me,,,

 

Now what any of this has to do with Auto Mags,,, Well if it all worked, I could have more! LOL

 

p.s. is that the “Great Mitten” ??? and if so how do you get there? Is that the left turn at Albuquerque, or do you need to go over the giva dam, and then through the bay of rum???



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Posted By: aklawok
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2011 at 6:48am
rum? did sombussy say rum? (hic!)Approve

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ITS NOT THE END OF THE WORLD, BUT YOU CAN SEE IT FROM HERE!

73 KL1YJ


Posted By: Gerry
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2011 at 2:23pm
GH
My Great Mitten is west of Taxachusetts.
Gerry


Posted By: Auto Mag
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2011 at 3:24am
Originally posted by Gerry Gerry wrote:

GH
My Great Mitten is west of Taxachusetts.
Gerry

Well Gerry, if I work off the notion that Taxachusetts spelled sideways is Jerkola (see map) then that would be just about right,,, LOL

 

It's very hard to come to grips the fact that the birthplace of the American Revolution and the concept of freedom from governmental tyranny is now the seat of liberalism and government oppression of the masses.

 

I think we should change our state slogan to "abandon all hope Ye who enter this state"



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