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Topic: Automag II...lots of problems.
Posted By: Rumore
Subject: Automag II...lots of problems.
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2019 at 10:43pm
I recently picked up a nice 6" Automag II....the only reason it's nice is because it was sent to CCR to have the crap finish cleaned up and plated/coated in CPII. The slide, barrel, and everything feels like it's running on roller bearings....I'm pretty impressed with it.

However, the gun didn't work. At all.

Light primer strikes.
Failures to feed.
12+ pound trigger pull.
Failures to extract.
Failures to eject.

Hell, you name it....typical AMT junk, which of course doesn't surprise me anymore.

I won't bore you with everything that was done to fix all the above issues, but I got all that stuff fixed and the thing running perfectly on some 10 year old Winchester Super X ammo, but I only had one box left. So I ordered up 10 boxes and figured I was good to go. Nope.

The new ammo is clearly WAY under powered compared to the old stuff and would not cycle the gun. I had also tried Remington, Fiocchi, CCI, Speer, Federal, Armscor, and Hornady and cycling was either non-existant or spotty. However, when I fired up some Aguila ammo, all was golden again. Perfect functioning just like it had done with the older Winchester Super X.


At one point I even dropped in a lighter recoil spring, but even that didn't allow any other ammo to cycle other than the Aguila.

Tony





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Posted By: USA 1776
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2019 at 12:40am
Would love to know who fixed your gun...I have on with similar issues and the one 'smith I trust around here won't mess with it!                           
Thanks, too, for the tip on the Aguila ammo

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Posted By: jw4570
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2019 at 2:33am
Tony,

you know way more than me, been down same road.

I had one (still have it) that had a bad safety lever, it would snap on safe everytime it fired. too weak of a ball detent. I fixed that (kinda a pain to reassemble). I've also had light strikes (bent strut, common, also springs take a set-was able to get them new back then). Failure to feed based on poor magazines, if you find ones that work, keep them-have two.

Once you get it working, they shoot really great. It's an accurate little booger and fun. But I can see why people don't like them. And if you see one used at a gunshow for cheap, it's probably got problems.....


Posted By: Rumore
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2019 at 4:33pm
Yeah, the strut was bent. I replaced it, but the whole design is junk. I think I'll machine a beefier one from bar stock....and the spring not only takes a set, but it doesn't fit the strut very well and ends up all zig zag shaped.

Tony Rumore
Tromix


Posted By: Rumore
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2019 at 2:13am
I guess I'm a glutton for punishment.....I picked up another Automag II, but this one is the 3.5" compact shorty.

I loaded it up, pulled the trigger....click.

It had the back end broken off the firing pin, which are NLA, so some wizard of a gunsmith decided to drill and tap the back of the pin and screw in an extension rod. Of course the rod was broken off in the back of the pin.


I was unable to extract the broken off shaft, so I just ground it flat, fired up the TiG, and welded the back end up, adding about 3/8" in length. I used 309L stainless rod which gets pretty darn hard when it air cools.


The gun would then actually fire, but had an occassional light firing pin strike and an occassional failure to extract. I made up a stronger extractor spring and replaced the bent hammer spur, and all was good. Ran about 100 rounds without a hitch. I still need to fix the 12 pound trigger pull though.


Tony Rumore
Tromix


   


Posted By: USA 1776
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2019 at 2:41am
If you want some more work, would love to send you mine to fix.

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Posted By: Luvz2Shoot
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2019 at 3:29am
Was at the range with my newly acquired 6".  First trigger pull gun went bang, cycled like it was supposed to, and something hit me in the forehead, just above my right eye glass.  

Second trigger pull, click.  Nothing.  Put it away and shot some other things I'd brought.

Upon packing up I found a nearly round piece of metal, small than the size of a pea.  I almost tossed not thinking too much about it.  Then I had an odd feeling that MAYBE, just MAYBE that was what hit me in the forehead.  I put it in my pocket and went home.

When I went to clean and look at it, I compared it with another AMT-II.  The back of the firing pin looked different between the 2.  I pulled both apart and noticed that the back of the firing pin, where the hammer strikes, is almost hour-glass shaped.  What hit me in the forehead was the little ball part of the back of the firing pin.

As Tony mentioned, they are no longer available - at least that I could find either.

I am stumped as how to fix it, or get it fixed.  Unless Tony would be willing to weld mine up too, and "message" it to fit?  Wink

I looked at NGP and the picture of the firing is straight at the back - not hour glass shaped like both of mine are.

I will post pics as soon as I can to show a good firng pin (with a poor design?), and what it looks like when it breaks.


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Posted By: Rumore
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2019 at 3:49am
I'm just a little gun-shy about working on customer's guns where my entire Automag II gunsmithing experience rests solely on just two examples of these pistols.

Just because I was able to fix my two guns, hardly makes me an expert by any stretch of the imagination.

Tony Rumore
Tromix





Posted By: Luvz2Shoot
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2019 at 4:26am
I am neither an expert or a 'Smith.  But over the years I have been messing with these, you did to those two what most of the people with problems should do to them.

The hammer strut bends easily.  With the slide off, you get maybe one hammer fall (where you pull the trigger and let the hammer freely snap up), MAYBE two, before it bends.  Once it bends there are problems.

The guide rod is another thing that will cause people problems.   If it is not put together, and the guide rod is perfectly in the little notch in the frame, the rod won't sit properly.   You can see when the end of the rod sticks out barely more than flush.  There might be 1/16" or less sticking out for it to be correct.  Any more and it's not set properly and there will be issues.  You can also tell if it set correctly when you pull the slide back and the rod is straight with the barrel.  If it is at an angle with the barrel, it's not set correctly. 

The other thing I have found is that the extractor hits the barrel and will make it so it won't positively grab the rim of the shell.  The notch in the barrel usually does not line up with the extractor either.  You'll also notice that the extractor starts to wear (out) on the bottom (?) of the hook part of the extractor.  I usually dremel the notch on the barrel a little bigger, and a little deeper so the extractor hits the barrel as minimal as possible, if any at all.  You can see it happening when you barely move the slide open and closed.  It hits and moves the extractor ever so slightly. 

In my limited experience, paying attention to those few areas will get most of these up and running.



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Posted By: USA 1776
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2019 at 5:07am
Do you think you could dis/assemble the gun with only one hand? I can do a 1911 and Browning hipower, but never tried this gun. Always afraid of small flying springs!

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Posted By: Luvz2Shoot
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2019 at 2:24pm
I don't know.  I've never tried.  I would think it is not much different than taking apart a 1911.

The only "issue" I see might be getting the slide stop lever out.  Usually when you pull the slide back you push the the slide stop lever up to lock it open.  When you do that, the AMT lever has a notch on the inside that "hooks" the frame.  I don't know if the 1911's do this too.  But, you have to pull the slide back so the lever releases and drops (so you can close the slide), but you have to hold the slide in place, and push the lever down VERY slightly into its "resting" place.  Then it releases from the frame and you can push (or pull) the lever out.

I hold the slide open with one hand, and with my other hand I put my finger in the slide, through the ejection port, all the way to the inside part of the lever, and start pushing the lever slightly down and out with my pinky.  Once it starts to move out, I grab the lever and pull it out.  Then the slide can come off.

As I mentioned, with one hand it would be very difficult for me, the way I do it.


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Posted By: XP001
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2019 at 6:02pm
We all know AMT had QC issues so maybe you guys got Monday or Friday guns or are getting abused ones from others that also shot the snot out of them. I never had these problems yet, maybe I'm shooting Weds guns or not shooting them enough, lol. It tough on the budget, cost the same as or more than CF stuff in my area.
You guys are talking about all these parts and iasues but I don't see any pics about them parts here, what gives?
USA, I think any firearm can be taken apart or put together with one capable hand, you just may have to get a "second hand/vice" in some cases just to ease the process. I broke down and reassembled the Automag III with my left hand only( I'm right handed).




Posted By: Luvz2Shoot
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2019 at 9:37pm
I hear ya, XP.  I'm thinking the same thing too.  As soon as I can get some pics taken, and edited to fit on the site, I will be posting some.

I don't know about the Friday or Monday builds (too funny, I know what you mean though), but the ones I've run across have not been "treated" very well.

Lots of gunk to clean out of them.  I assume previous people couldn't/wouldn't strip them down to clean them after a few hundred rounds through them

The others, I am guessing once the slide was off they thought it was fun to cock the hammer then pull the trigger to watch the hammer.  The last one I worked on, the hammer strut seemed to be bent at about a 45° angle.  I'll have to find the picts of that one.

Worn extractors, and looking into why they were worn where they were.  Then looking at how everything matched up is how I came to my conclusion(s).

Guide rod installation is another one I just happen to notice.  I even called out a couple people because of the way it was installed.  I was right each time.
Beer


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Posted By: XP001
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2019 at 10:14pm
The recoil guide rod thing I noticed was after it was put together that if it wasn't in it's spot when you locked open the slide you could see the rod angle downward. I found out you could "pinch" the rod and barrel together between your fingers and the rod would "pop" into it's place. Never did look/remember what it hung up on but it wasn't much to hold it there.
I keep saying one day I'll go through all my AMT stuff and write up things I found but never get time yet. Go figure.


Posted By: Rumore
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2019 at 11:59pm
XP001, What kind of pics do you want?




Posted By: XP001
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2019 at 1:52am
Any pics about AMT or other odd stuff, love to drool. I was wanting to see before/After pics of these problems. You know, stuff to look for and understand better. I do like what you posted here also, very nice looking. The Automag III and IV you show have wood grips, are they interchangeable with each other? Nice set.
Thx for showing them.


Posted By: USA 1776
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2019 at 2:32am
Rumore, I can appreciate your position on working on my gun, but had to ask. If you do make some stronger parts, any chance you can do more than one? Sounds like you could sell a few here.    

XP, LUVZ, thanks for your thoughts. In the end, won't know 'til I try. -"no negative waves, man!" (Oddball from Kelley's Heros")-

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Posted By: XP001
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2019 at 3:02am
I guess I can do a video if there is interest in it. I'm always willing to give a helping HAND when ask. Maybe Ian can make a video section for dis-assembly/assembly and everyones favorite actually shooting of them. So speak up if you want something, somebody will help I'm sure. I can't believe there isn't a firing pin out there that couldn't be made to work in them. I just don't have enough things in pieces here to compare it too. Maybe I'll get around to ripping one down to parts and measure, photo each part and make a spec list of each part, hmmm.


Posted By: Rumore
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2019 at 5:42am
The Automag III, IV, and I believe the V, all use the same grip frame and grips. The Automag II grips are different. I don't believe anyone makes any replacement grips for the Compact Automag II. All of those grips came from http://www.Grips4U.com" rel="nofollow - www.Grips4U.com

I'll get pics on the next one I repair. I was able to get the trigger pull down to 3 pounds on the 6" Automag II and 4 pounds on the 3.5" Automag II. There's really not much too it....AMT simply installed way over-power springs for the trigger return and sear. I simply made new ones from AR-15 dust cover springs in order to cut the pull weight. I actually got the trigger pull down to 2 pounds on the 6" gun, with the trigger return spring completely eliminated, but the trigger would occasionally fail to reset, so I had to go back and put a trigger return spring back in the gun. I also made a new hammer strut from a piece of drill rod pressed into a piece of 303 Stainless. It's much more robust than the POS stamped OEM part.


On the Automag III 9mm WinMag, the recoil spring seemed awfully light. I found that a spring from a Tanfoglio Witness was an exact match. I installed a 22 pound Wolff/Tanfoglio spring and it felt quite a bit more suitable for the caliber. Test fired fine.

Tony




Posted By: Luvz2Shoot
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2019 at 4:35pm
Well, I took picts last night and worked on cropping and editing them so I could post them here.  Needless to say, I forgot to backup what I did and cannot post them from this computer.
Tonight I will post:
1. Guide rod position and what it looks like correct/incorrect. 
2. The slide stop lever.  (I passed along INCORRECT info above.  The lever rests in a locked position on the frame in the DOWN position.  I reach in with my pinky and push it UP ever so slightly, they push it out of the frame.
3. I have picts of 3 of my firing pins.  2 that are manufactured the same - in which 1 of them is the one that broke and the piece hit me in the forehead.  The other one looks like it is made MUCH better and I don't see it breaking anytime soon.
 
I agree, XP.  I can't see it taking too much to turn one out on an automated lathe.  Then to a mill and notch accordingly.  I'd buy a few if they were reasonably priced.  2 to replace the "poor designed" ones, and 1 to have "just in case".
 
As for assembly and disassembly, there are some on YouTube that I have followed.  They do a good job explaining and showing.  If I remember correctly, the only thing it didn't show was the removal and install of the safety lever detent ball and spring.  Let me tell you, IT IS A PAIN !!!  If you take it down that far (which I can't see it being "needed") make sure you have a spare bearing (or 3!) before attempting to reinstall it.  I came up with a method and can post if anyone is interested.
 
Disassembly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ri-lZVQCNY" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ri-lZVQCNY
 
Assembly:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgI5odUFqak" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgI5odUFqak
 
 
 


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Posted By: XP001
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2019 at 9:26pm
Tony, thanks for the info and pics. I found my III had a slight difference inag Wells between the 9 and the 30 or was it the mags. One had to be convinced to come out, wasn't drop out like the other. Are mags/Wells different then anybody else? May e the side footprints are the same and not the inside Wells or mags.
Confused
Luv, I seen the AM II videos but they didn't use one hand, lol. I might just take it up for the challenge.


Posted By: Luvz2Shoot
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2019 at 1:01am
Lets try and post these....

As we all know, this is what a bent strut looks like. As mentioned, this happens when slide is off, hammer is back, then the trigger is pulled and the hammer slams forward. I was told that you get MAYBE one (1) oops, usually it starts to bend after the 2nd or 3rd time. This strut looks like someone was having a heyday cocking the hammer and pulling the trigger with the slide off.







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Posted By: Luvz2Shoot
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2019 at 1:17am
Guide rod incorrectly installed.

If installed incorrectly, it will cause issues. I've seen this more times than not, and have "called people" on it.







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Posted By: Luvz2Shoot
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2019 at 1:19am
Correctly installed.







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Posted By: Luvz2Shoot
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2019 at 1:29am
Here's the firing pin(s).

If anyone knows anybody with an automated lathe (or a manual lathe) and a mill that would be willing to make some for a reasonable price, I would be willing to mail them the beefier one (on the left) to mimic. I would also buy two to replace the "weaker" ones, and probably another one (or two?) as "spares".

That is the little piece that flew off and hit me in the forehead. THANKFULLY it landed on the shooting bench and I was able to find it. I am so glad that I didn't discard it as being "nothing" and swept it into the trash.









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Posted By: Luvz2Shoot
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2019 at 1:31am
Here are better/closer picts of the beefier one.







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Posted By: Luvz2Shoot
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2019 at 1:38am
Here are some worn and NOS extractors. The 2 on the left are worn. The 1 in the middle is so-so. The 2 on the right are NOS, or were purchased from High Standard before they closed for business.

You can see where they are worn away on one side of the lip. That is the part that hits/rubs on the notch that is cut into the barrel.

When that part hits the barrel, it slightly pushes it away from the rim of the shell. As you can imagine, this can cause it to NOT grab the rim of the shell for extraction/ejection.



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Posted By: Luvz2Shoot
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2019 at 1:46am
Here are different barrels with different "touches" at expanding the notch. They may not look the prettiest but they all work.

The one on the right was my first attempt. The Dremel got away from me and is ugly. But it works.

The one in the middle is a little better, still not "pretty". It works too.

The one on the left is probably the best looking. I still have a few FTE every once in awhile. I think the extractor is still making contact with the barrel when the slide is fully closed, making it NOT work 100% and giving some FTE.

With Tony's findings regarding the different ammo, and Aquilla working the best, I will be searching for some of that and trying it in all the barrels. Hopefully that will help.







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Posted By: XP001
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2019 at 3:05am
WOW, LOVE them pics! Thanks
Now the first set, mine are bent a little but nothing like that one, dang@!Ouch
Did you try that pinch trick I mention? Can't remember if that was this or a different model. Let us know.
The pins look like 2 first version and a later stronger version, am I correct? That left side looks like they figured out only a little mill out was needed to keep the pin hammer head stronger, longer. Sound right?Thumbs Up
I understand the extractor issue as you show them, I'll have to check mine now.Dead
It looks like you have 2 first run style barrels and a later run style barrel, or is it the other way around?
I thought they went to the grind the angle edge of barrel style to avoid that issue. Again, I'll have to look at mine to check this too. One day(I keep saying it) I'm going to take pics and note different version runs just to get smarter on them. Star
Dang, rounds cost so much compared to 22LR stuff, even more than the 9mm stuff!Angry
Thanks for posting this up.Clap

Tony, you do a lot of this stuff, what kind of metal would be used for them pins? do they heat treat them to harden afterwards or does it make to brittle? I love to try a few things for fun and might get there this year.


Posted By: Rumore
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2019 at 3:29am
I have a note here, that AR-15 firing pins are made from 8640 steel, "as rolled".

The only firing pins that I have ever had made, were for the Saiga-12 shotgun, and I don't recall the material used, but they were made for us by Kila Hill Manufacturing, in Kila Montana. Kila Hill was the firing pin OEM for Weatherby for several years. I believe we sold about 1,000 of those firing pins and then discontinued them when the Saiga-12 was no longer the cool new toy on the market.

Unfortunately, I don't see making Automag II firing pins to be a lucrative business adventure. Economically, you would need to run at least 500ea, and then sell a few here, and sit on the rest for the next 40 years....kinda like we're doing now with 44 AMP magazine loading tools.

The average Automag II owner, isn't going to be buying spare firing pins until their's actually breaks.

Tony Rumore
Tromix


Posted By: Luvz2Shoot
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2019 at 4:26am
Here's to try and answer your questions.

Yes, the hammer struts may have a SLIGHT bend in it, but anymore and it starts to cause issues.

Yes, when reinstalling the slide, and the rod is bent like that, you can pinch it. Sometimes it works and falls right into place, other times it ends up poking out just a bit. I have found that even sticking out that tiny bit can cause it to not function properly. I always make sure its "perfect" or I catch myself chasing "issues" that may not really be issues.

As for the pins, now I don't know which ones I took them out of. Meaning, I didn't write down which firing pins went with which serial number. I assume what you mention about making the later versions with the stronger looking pin. These 3 pins are out of 6". I do have a 4.5" but have not taken it apart to see the pin. Now that I think of it, I will have to do that just to see and compare. Could they have gave them the hour-glass shape to take weight off the pin for operation? I am not a 'smith or engineer, I just remember a subject on another gun that talked about the firing pin weight. Maybe it was the Auto Mag firing pin? I don't remember. But I wonder if it has anything to do with it. Then they realized that making it beefier, and just notching it a tad, doesn't make that much of a difference? Maybe someone with a lot more experience and knowledge than me will know and help shed some light?

The 2 barrels on the right are actually barrels I bought around 2012-2014. One was from Numrich. I went to order another one and they didn't have any so I contacted High Standard and they sold one to me. The HS barrel and Numrich barrel look the exact same. I assume that they were from the same source. We all know that an original AMT barrel has the blow-back holes and the barrel is welded to the lug. The HS barrels look like they are pressed in (I know that would be stupid of them to do), but I can tell you that they do NOT appear to be welded to the lug. Maybe they are threaded? There are NO blow-back holes in either of them. I did a picture comparison in another thread on here a long time ago. I cannot find it to reference, but I attached some pictures below to show the different barrels and extractor cuts in the lugs.

I hear you about the ammo. 22WMR and 17HMR is just crazy. Mostly Hornady and CCI. I'll have to find a place and order some of the Aquilla.


These were taken at a time that I had my 4.5" AMT-II taken apart and I was comparing them.






This one shows the extractor notches in the lugs. The 2 on the left are the HS/Numrich barrels. Note how the notch is no where close to where it should be for proper function of the extractor. These prompted me to get out the Dremel and try to fix it myself.



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Posted By: Rumore
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2019 at 4:37am
This is the only ammo that would run in my guns.



Posted By: XP001
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2019 at 4:49am
Thanks Luv
Now I can tell the difference of them barrels, the HS/other barrels do not have the gas assist system in them so they didn't drill gas holes and weld the sleeve in place. Funny thing is they chamber opening still shows that they still cut down the barrel dia and sleeved it with the rear section/block. Wonder if they pressed it to keep it on or like you said maybe they threaded it on? That saved some work BUT what system did they do? How do the chambers look like? I once cut apart a barrel that was very abused and found a few things out about the thing. The sleeve is pressed on and even with the weld cut off I had to press that section off, was not a slop fit. Maybe your guys just figure it was enough with the 22mag pressure, not sure. Also explains why the extractor slots are different style then too.

Tony, I wouldn't be thinking of doing these for profit but just for the fun and learning of it. No guarantee of anything with it IF I get to doing them. I have a few ideas about making a few different parts my way to see if I can because I can. Never a business, way too much overhead issues with paperwork and other junk, you know it.

Ammo I use is Super "X" stuff but mine is really old so I know it's the right powder type as I heard they now changed it (maybe). My stuff was stored properly and has no issue firing.
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Posted By: USA 1776
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2019 at 1:38am
One of these recent posts mentioned wanting AM II compact grips...Ebay... https://www.ebay.com/itm/173874222846?ul_noapp=true" rel="nofollow - https://www.ebay.com/itm/173874222846?ul_noapp=true

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Posted By: Markdam
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2019 at 7:20pm
Can you explain how to get the firing pin and extractor part  is it very difficult if anything I would like to get in there clean   I've had a lot of failure to extract and some double feeds I just got the gun and fired it for the first time yesterday the only ammo it would eat on a regular basis was the armsicore 40 grain 1875 FPS.  in fact after 15 years of hunting and wanting one to get it it was very anti-climatic and made me very disappointed I was ready to sell it last night after just getting it out of the 10-day waiting.. but today I'm having  A Renewed Second Wind to get this thing running I was talking to another guy that had an automatic for sale and he said he have the number of the guy that bought the rights to all of the automag stuff in Texas? Is this a folktale? And that he we'll work on these guns and tune them? any and all help would be appreciated


Posted By: USA 1776
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2019 at 11:54pm
Far as I know High Standard(in TX) bought the rights to AMT name and probably got any leftover parts. Don’t think they made too many of these or the Backups. Don’t know if they will still work on them. Call and ask I guess.

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Posted By: Rumore
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2019 at 2:34am
I couple of mine had failures to extract. One was fixed by installing a heavier extractor spring. The other one also needed a chamber polish.

Tony


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Posted By: XP001
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2019 at 5:05am
These have a gas assist system built into the chamber. It was noted that only ball powder ammo should be used to avoid clogs in the system. Now if you look at your spent cases, they should have circles of gas soot that are 6 in a row going around the case with 2 rows for a total of 12. if you have clogs you will be missing some or all these marks on the case.
IF you "polish" the chamber be careful not to clog them holes or get junk jammed into them that will close them up. You can take a paper clip and make a hook at the end to route the holes open if there is some closure. Make sure you do all 18 holes. 12 where the case sits and 6 more just before the rifling in front of where the case sits.
I would never say to polish the chamber because I have seen first hand what people can do to them. Not saying you can't but a little here goes a LONG way! I would try everything else before messing with the chamber but that's just me.
Don't give up on it, in fact you need to buy another! This would allow you to swap parts around to track down your issue. Just tell the wife it needs to be done and you get another new firearm. Also if you post some pics of it we might spot something, we love pics!

Hi-standard did go into production of AMT for some models (Automag II, III and back up that I know for sure of) but they then got bought out by Crusader(?) which then went belly up a few years later. So not sure who still owns the rights because I'm not sure if it was sold as a "license to make OR property /patent rights". Maybe somebody will pick it up, they are a nice solid "steel" firearm opposed to the plastic stuff out there. Market share is so small because of the plastic, youngin just love their plastics. I do own both so I'm not downing plastic just pointing out the market direction in my mind.


Posted By: Markdam
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2019 at 2:54pm
thanks for the replies that was contemplating polishing versus the holes myself


Posted By: Luvz2Shoot
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2019 at 6:26pm
Originally posted by USA 1776 USA 1776 wrote:

Far as I know High Standard(in TX) bought the rights to AMT name and probably got any leftover parts. Don’t think they made too many of these or the Backups. Don’t know if they will still work on them. Call and ask I guess.


High Standard is no longer in business as of 2018.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Standard_Manufacturing_Company" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Standard_Manufacturing_Company




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Posted By: Luvz2Shoot
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2019 at 6:39pm
Originally posted by Markdam Markdam wrote:

Can you explain how to get the firing pin and extractor part  is it very difficult if anything I would like to get in there clean   I've had a lot of failure to extract and some double feeds I just got the gun and fired it for the first time yesterday the only ammo it would eat on a regular basis was the armsicore 40 grain 1875 FPS.  in fact after 15 years of hunting and wanting one to get it it was very anti-climatic and made me very disappointed I was ready to sell it last night after just getting it out of the 10-day waiting.. but today I'm having  A Renewed Second Wind to get this thing running I was talking to another guy that had an automatic for sale and he said he have the number of the guy that bought the rights to all of the automag stuff in Texas? Is this a folktale? And that he we'll work on these guns and tune them? any and all help would be appreciated


I don't have any pictures off-hand, so I will try and explain.

Once you've got the slide off, tap out the pin that holds the extractor in place, from the inside of the slide, out the top-side of the slide.

Carefully remove the rear sight, as there are 2 small springs underneath.  You should see the top of a larger pin.  Push it out from under the slide, out the top too.

Put the safe/fire switch into the "fire" position.  Tilt the slide up (firing pin side down).  The firing pin should fall right out.  If not, I've had to take a paperclip and push the firing pin out as it can get "stuck" a little.  (Maybe it's in the "safe" position?  I'm pretty sure it's the "fire" position.)

Once the firing pin is out, the firing pin spring is usually in the cavity.  Take the paper clip and put a very small hook in the end.  Push it in and grab the spring and pull it out.  (I've even just taken a Q-tip, removed most of the cotton, put it in the hole and try and get the spring to stick to it to pull it out).

Good luck.


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Posted By: USA 1776
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2019 at 12:34am
Parts on GB... https://www.gunbroker.com/Item/824857503" rel="nofollow - https://www.gunbroker.com/Item/824857503

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Posted By: XP001
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2019 at 2:33am
Don't think he needs parts as much as a good cleaning and going through it. Needs to check the gas ports as if they are dirty/clogged it will have rough time extracting. This can be causing the extractor to not get the job done. Also should try a few brands of ammo after the cleaning of course.


Posted By: TRX302
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2019 at 2:38pm
A few years back one of the forum members came up with a tool for cleaning AM2 gas ports. It was a plug with O-rings, went into the chamber and then accepted the tube from a spray can of whatever your favorite carbon cleaner was.

Instead of just pushing any carbon back into the annular clearance around the chamber, it tried to flush some of the gun out.


Posted By: XP001
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2019 at 8:16pm
Here is the issue with that idea. The gas system is NOT a tunnel run from one port to another to the third port in a row. It is a 6 front ports go into an gas chamber area that feeds all other 12 shell ports.
You would need to have a system that you can select which port and direct it to a select front port and sit and do each and every combo to make sure they all are clear. The one that I heard of as you speak of would help but not sure how it works exactly as I never seen the FULL details of it. 
Cheap way is to poke the port holes clear with a paper clip, then soak it in solvent, then try to shoot it clear. Unless you stuck polish paste in the chamber and into the gas system area it should clear up. I mention this because I have seen that done before! Don't do it!


Posted By: Luvz2Shoot
Date Posted: 15 Aug 2019 at 4:28am
Originally posted by Rumore Rumore wrote:

I couple of mine had failures to extract. One was fixed by installing a heavier extractor spring. The other one also needed a chamber polish.

Tony


Tony, what spring did you use? From another make/model? A "spare parts" bin that you have?

I am willing to try a heavier spring, just need a little guidance in where to shop.

Thanks.

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Posted By: Rumore
Date Posted: 15 Aug 2019 at 3:19pm
I've got a bin of odd ball springs. I just dug something out that was stiffer than the original.

You can buy bulk spring kits from Brownells and just cut off a piece.

https://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/small-hardware/bulk-spring-kits/index.htm" rel="nofollow - https://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/small-hardware/bulk-spring-kits/index.htm

Tony


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Posted By: Luvz2Shoot
Date Posted: 15 Aug 2019 at 7:04pm
Originally posted by Rumore Rumore wrote:

I've got a bin of odd ball springs. I just dug something out that was stiffer than the original.

You can buy bulk spring kits from Brownells and just cut off a piece.

https://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/small-hardware/bulk-spring-kits/index.htm" rel="nofollow - https://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/small-hardware/bulk-spring-kits/index.htm

Tony



Thank you.


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