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Topic: New Member: IAI AM III questions
Posted By: kwesi
Subject: New Member: IAI AM III questions
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2018 at 7:46pm
Hello from Texas.  I have an opportunity to purchase the AM III 30 carbine.  I will not be able to handle it prior to purchasing.  I believe it to be a very clean gun.  I don't yet know if it has the box and manual but I suspect this is gun only with one mag.  I'm a shooter and a reloader.  Pistol mainly but I do load straight walled rifle cases.  In case it matters I also believe it to be one of the earlier production models with the IAI logo on the left slide and Irving, CA.  I'm drawn to the "big boomers".    I just recently began researching the AMT III and missed out on a local FTF purchase with box for $850 which seemed underpriced to me.  It was more of a safe queen.  Then I happened on another without the box and priced slightly higher but I believe in similar condition.  Enough about me and the potential purchase.

Please school this AMT newbie.  All guidance is appreciated.  What is the average going range for the gun I described, any known issues that I need to be aware of or to have checked, etc.  I will continue researching this forum.  Thanks in advance!




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Posted By: USA 1776
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2018 at 2:21am
Welcome to the forum!
Heres a link(or at least the address) of the "completed auctions" on GB for this gun. Just pay attention to whether they sold or not. Asking price is not selling price as I'm sure you know.
You'll soon learn these were made in 9mmwm(Win.Mag.) also. These guns are more rare and will cost more in any condition.
Keep searching the forum for insights into problems with this gun, I seem to recall a few issues other folks have had. I've perhaps been lucky, no issues with over 300 rounds fired from both cal. guns in my collection.

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Posted By: kwesi
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2018 at 4:36am
Thx.  I did check out the sold guns on GB.  I believe most had the boxes and sold for $200+ compared to the one I’m interested in.  I’m guessing the box adds $100 in value.


Posted By: TRX302
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2018 at 2:43pm
Are you buying it as a collectible or as a shooter?

Anecdotes from several forum members indicate those things were bags of fun to shoot.


Posted By: kwesi
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2018 at 3:46pm
I will definitely be shooting her!


Posted By: kwesi
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2018 at 3:53pm
update: no box.  Just a very clean gun with one mag.  This is one of the earlier IAI stamped with sn A0077x.  Purchased used many years ago then never left the safe.


Posted By: USA 1776
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2018 at 8:10pm
Hate to promote Ebay again, but you can sometimes find boxes and mags there. Just be sure to shop here, too and compare pricing + ship charge to get best deal. Some folks think ANY old mag is Gold!
You'll see what I mean here... https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=automag+III+magazine&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=0&_osacat=0&_odkw=automag+III....and" rel="nofollow - https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=automag+III+magazine&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=0&_osacat=0&_odkw=automag+III....and here... https://www.gunbroker.com/All/search?Keywords=automag%20III%20magazine" rel="nofollow - https://www.gunbroker.com/All/search?Keywords=automag%20III%20magazine

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Posted By: kwesi
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2018 at 3:28am
speaking of followers is there any significance between the orange vs black?


Posted By: AUTOMAG
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2018 at 10:09pm
Someone please correct me if i am mistaken but I heard that the orange indicated an original magazine and the black were reproductions.

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Posted By: USA 1776
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2018 at 1:31am
I won't correct you 'cause I'm not sure, but I've seen a few supposedly NIB guns w/ black followers. One would naturally assume that these were from the factory, of course, but I guess you never REALLY know.
I was told once it was to differentiate a 9mmwm from a 30carb., but I'm pretty sure the mags are interchangeable between the two.

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Posted By: kwesi
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2018 at 2:52am
As stated above the AM III I just purchased is one of the earlier produced guns.  It has the orange follower.


Posted By: kwesi
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2018 at 3:15am
I’ve not had much success using the search function to find posts on factory Ammo for the AM III pistol.  I want to purchase a couple boxes to test her then decide if I will invest in the dies to roll my own.  From what I’ve found online PPU & Fiocchi are the best price.  Both offer FMJ and PPU also has the softpoints.  Any recommendations are appreciated.


Posted By: Luvz2Shoot
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2018 at 3:27am
Mine has run anything I've put into it.  Except, years ago I bought a brand (can't remember exact brand) the first 7 rounds I tried had a nice deep firing pin strike in the primer but it never ignited the round.  It was odd.

Other than that 1 box I have never had a problem with any other brand.


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Posted By: kwesi
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2018 at 3:34am
Thx!  I need to stop by my Wallymart to see if they carry it.


Posted By: XP001
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2018 at 5:25am
Ok, first welcome to the odd world of Auto Mag AND AMT misfits!
The Automag III came in 2 calibers, 30 carbine and 9mm WinMag.
The most important thing to remember when you break it down to clean is do NOT lose the pin and small spring that is inserted inside the rear of the recoil rod! Without this set up you could end up with  jam-matic pistol depending on what type of barrel it has. The barrel without the slide interlock ribs will work without this set up but the barrel with the interlock ribs will jam if you don't have them inserted. Not sure if the mags are interchangable from 9mm to 30, I think there was some difference with them and the feedramps on barrels.
Please feel free to chime in if you know for sure OR you can find the BIG thread where it was discussed years back. Lots of info in that thread! mags, frames, barrels and slides. I know there were pics too! We love pics here!
Once you get yours, show it please.
I have shot many rds through it without issues, with and without that pin/spring set up(long story bout that). Big flame thrower, loud as hell but little recoil. A BLAST to shoot!!
Good Luck


Posted By: kwesi
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2018 at 5:41am
XP001: TY for those tips! Expect she will arrive late next week. Looks like I’m going to order 100-200 Fiocchi to begin the romance.  I will post pics.


Posted By: Luc V.
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2018 at 6:08pm
About ammunition, the most spectacular to shoot is the UMC brand. It was accurate, reliable and most of all it was a pleasure to watch the flamethrower…
 
In reply to the magazine question, there is a difference between the orange and black follower as far as I know.
I think XP001 you refer to this thread, good info and learn some more:
http://www.amtguns.info/automag-iii-9mm-win-mag_topic889_page2.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.amtguns.info/automag-iii-9mm-win-mag_topic889_page2.html
 
To Kwesi, welcome here and enjoy the AMT.


Posted By: kwesi
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2018 at 8:40pm
Luc V: great thread thx!  I would love to hear about other Ammo experiences.  From the pics I have of my soon to be received IMI 30, I assume the rear sight does not have white dots.


Posted By: Leader77
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2018 at 10:40pm
I have one of the early Automag ll with SN MOXXXX and it has a Black follower in the magazine and is bright stainless steel finish. I recent bought what was listed as an AMT Original Factory Magazine from Numrich (gunpartscorp)and it had a dull finish with an orange follower. It didn't work in my gun and jammed with the first bullet so it's going back tomorrow. I don't even believe it was made by AMT and looks like a poor cheap Chinese attempt at a Clone! Anyone else have the same problem?


Posted By: kwesi
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2018 at 11:03pm
The ones they list for the AMT III has a black follower and the body does not look polished BUT they list it as factory.


Posted By: XP001
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2018 at 3:10am
leader77,
We are talking about the Automag III, are you? You wrote Automag II and I think the "M" pre-fix is a II also but wanted to confirm what you are taking about.


Posted By: kwesi
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2018 at 3:51am
I was able to purchase a new IAI AMT III stainless steel mag with the orange follower this eve.  The pistol ships tomorrow.  Ordering Ammo next.  


Posted By: USA 1776
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2018 at 4:38am
If you do mean AM II and not III, does the mag have a slot in both sides? If so, its for an Excel Arms gun. I see quite a few people misidentify those mags. I always wondered if they would in an AMII.

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Posted By: USA 1776
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2018 at 4:41am
Originally posted by Leader77 Leader77 wrote:

I have one of the early Automag ll with SN MOXXXX and it has a Black follower in the magazine and is bright stainless steel finish. I recent bought what was listed as an AMT Original Factory Magazine from Numrich (gunpartscorp)and it had a dull finish with an orange follower. It didn't work in my gun and jammed with the first bullet so it's going back tomorrow. I don't even believe it was made by AMT and looks like a poor cheap Chinese attempt at a Clone! Anyone else have the same problem?


Meant to quote this in above post, but replied instead.

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Posted By: TankMan
Date Posted: 19 Sep 2018 at 2:30am
I believe you all have already established what an original AutoMag III .30 carbine magazine looks like. Here's a photo of my AutoMag III with orange follower, owned since new, fired one session, 10 shots total. I found the grip just a hair stubby but usable.




Jerry



Posted By: kwesi
Date Posted: 19 Sep 2018 at 3:37am
Thanks Jerry.  I wonder if the black followers were made when they were assembled in Pasadena.  From what I’ve read that is when QC diminished.


Posted By: XP001
Date Posted: 19 Sep 2018 at 5:06am
kwesi,
The "Auto Mags" series line up was made in Pasadena, Ca, not the "AMT (Arcadia Machine & Tool)Automag II, III, IV and V" series. I believe the AMT Automag II series were made in Covina, Ca.(early models) and then in Irwindale, Ca.  where they then also made the III, IV and V, they were then purchased by Galena Ind. and moved to Sturgis, South Dakota and then High Standard took it over and made some very limited numbers of the "Automag II"  and "Back Up" models in Texas. Not sure if they still make any more of them though. Two completely different firearms but both companies were started by Harry Sanford.


Posted By: kwesi
Date Posted: 19 Sep 2018 at 3:07pm
Thanks for the correction XP!



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