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    Posted: 16 May 2009 at 12:13pm
hello,  i am new to the automag and am wondering what loads are suggested for the 45 win mag to funtion in the pistol best and or correctly.  please be as specific as you can and of course i understand that  everyone can and will have their own opinion on best load data.  i also understand that the same guns can work differently with the same ammunition but i am just wanting some good starting points.  what i have found with loading 44 magnum is that the most accurate loads are not full loads but lighter ones.  any info is appreciated!Clap
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Hi Dammitman,
Welcome to the forum and the automagworld.
You are correct that the most accurate load is not the most powerfull. It never is in any caliber.
I tried alot of powders in the 45 winmag (for wildey, grizzly, AMT IV) and found the best results in the burning rate of bluedot.
I quit using the bluedot due to a bad lot (?) and changed to the Vihtavuori 3N37.
But before the problems with the bad lot powder, bluedot was my #1 load.
The 3N37 I 'll use now has very similar results in powdercharges/burningrate, and is easier available overhere.
 
Data: 
Case: Starline
Primer: Federal Large pistol
Powder: 3N37  14.3 Grains.
Bullet: 230 FMJ (Fiocchi, or Remington, whatever is available here)
V°= 1400 fps (out of the Wildey 8 inch barrel)
I made this load to match the factory Winchester ammo long time ago.
(This load works very well and accurate in my 3 guns.Use at your own risk is the usual warning.......LOL)
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any of these right for the automag IV?
these are right off the hodgdon website.
 
Cartridge:  45 Winchester Magnum
Load Type:  Pistol
Starting Loads

Maximum Loads

 
Bullet Weight (Gr.) Manufacturer Powder Bullet Diam. C.O.L. Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure    

185 GR. SIE JHP  Hodgdon  HS-6  .451"  1.500"  17.0  1323  32,600 CUP  18.0  1472  38,700 CUP     
185 GR. SIE JHP  Hodgdon  HP-38  .451"  1.500"  9.5  1114  28,400 CUP  11.6  1362  37,000 CUP     
200 GR. SPR JHP  Hodgdon  HS-6  .451"  1.470"  16.0  1244  32,400 CUP  17.5  1409  37,000 CUP     
200 GR. SPR JHP  Hodgdon  HP-38  .451"  1.470"  9.0  1084  28,400 CUP  11.2  1289  37,000 CUP     
230 GR. HDY FMJ FP  Hodgdon  H4227  .451"  1.500"  24.0  1160  27,400 CUP  25.0  1259  29,400 CUP     
230 GR. HDY FMJ FP  Hodgdon  H110  .451"  1.500"  27.5  1356  27,700 CUP  28.0  1410  29,000 CUP     
230 GR. HDY FMJ FP  Hodgdon  HS-6  .451"  1.500"  15.0  1137  31,000 CUP  17.0  1296  36,600 CUP     
230 GR. HDY FMJ FP  Hodgdon  HP-38  .451"  1.500"  9.0  994  30,400 CUP  10.8  1191  37,100 CUP     
240 GR. SIE JHC  Hodgdon  H4227  .451"  1.555"  24.0  1164  29,000 CUP  25.0  1266  33,000 CUP     
240 GR. SIE JHC  Hodgdon  H110  .451"  1.555"  26.5  1359  35,500 CUP  27.0  1411  37,400 CUP     
240 GR. SIE JHC  Hodgdon  HS-6  .451"  1.555"  14.0  1077  31,200 CUP  16.0  1300  38,800 CUP     
240 GR. SIE JHC  Hodgdon  HP-38  .451"  1.555"  8.6  950  30,200 CUP  10.3  1160  36,800 CUP     
250 GR. NOS JHP  Hodgdon  H4227  .451"  1.500"  23.0  1141  34,000 CUP  24.0  1239  37,100 CUP     
250 GR. NOS JHP  Hodgdon  H110  .451"  1.500"  25.5  1344  35,700 CUP  26.0  1380  37,400 CUP     
250 GR. NOS JHP  Hodgdon  HS-6  .451"  1.500"  13.5  1024  29,900 CUP  15.4  1220  37,700 CUP     
250 GR. NOS JHP  Hodgdon  HP-38  .451"  1.500"  7.8  871  30,000 CUP  9.8  1100  38,400 CUP     
260 GR. SPR JHP  Hodgdon  H4227  .451"  1.505"  22.0  1148  32,600 CUP  23.0  1209  35,400 CUP     
260 GR. SPR JHP  Hodgdon  H110  .451"  1.505"  24.5  1290  34,900 CUP  25.0  1339  37,400 CUP     
260 GR. SPR JHP  Hodgdon  HS-6  .451"  1.505"  13.0  1004  31,100 CUP  15.0  1219  37,000 CUP     
260 GR. SPR JHP  Hodgdon  HP-38  .451"  1.505"  7.4  833  30,400 CUP  9.6  1066  37,200 CUP     
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NEVER EXCEED MAXIMUM LOADS
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I guess they should all be okay to use if Hodgdon list them on their site.
 
I do remember to experiment with Hodgdon HS7 powder, and the 230FMJ bullet, but not for the Automag IV. I didn't had it then, just the Willy.
Sorry for the nohelp, on a specific load for the IV, I think you need to work up a load from starters....
If you want to use Hodgdon, I would choose the HS6 from that list, but stay away from the HP 38....to fast and to dirty............
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I have found the Speer reloading data for the 45 Win Mag  using
Blue Dot with 230-grain and 260-grain projectiles works very well in my Auto Mag. For some unknown reason, WW 296 and H110 have worked too well. I am anxious to try some 300-grainers next.
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i have just actually secured the gun that i will be shooting.  it wont be here till next week but i started doing the research and asking the questions needed so i will be prepared with its delivery.  the automag IV i bought is pretty much brand new having been fired less than 12 times.  after being sure that it was mine i have ordered 500 new brass,  4 extra magazines,  new set of lee dies,  a chronograph that i needed now for along time,  and am trying to figure out what would be the best rounds to load in the new brass.  from what i have read now it looks like 230 grain would be a decent bullet size to start with but all i can get soon would be a box of 500 ZERO brand 230 grain in hollow point.  they have a nice round nose though but  i wish i could get feedback from some one who has shot hollow points thru these guns and their point of view on that part.  i have plenty of hodgdon H110 and IMR 4227 also plenty of hodgdon LIL GUN powder to choose from. do hollow points feed well?  does anyone have these guns and shoot them regular or do most of these pistols just sit in cases?  any more info is great!!!
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Clap Congratz on the purchase!
It looks like your off to a good start in reloading with all the stuff you bought. The purchase of a crono is always an interesting tool which you can learn lots from.
 
I have shot nothing else besides 230 FMJ RN is my 45 WinMag's, for the simple reason that hollow points are not allowed here in handguns. (softy's are OK)
After all, all I do is punching holes in paper,Wink
 
Yes some of the members here have the AMT's, and as far as shooting them, well I shoot all my weapons, that's what they made for anyway.
 
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I have found IMR 4227 the most accurate in my LAR Grizzly.I have used 296 and blue dot.I shoot a cast and blue dot/unique for cheap plink'n loads. Hard ball 230 with 296 and 4227. I have an upper for my solid bolt that I need to wring out sometime....
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