Automag III 9mm Win Mag

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   Because I like the obscure, I am looking to put together one of these out of my .30 Carbine.The hold-up was getting a barrel bushing.
I finally found/acquired one for the .30 and will build-up or remove material as necessary to make it work.
I will purchase the barrel soon, but wanted to get a head start.

Does any one have one where they can measure the ID of the bushing?
Or better yet, still have the design/specs?

Thanks,

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schwammy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List R.I.P. Joined: 19 Apr 2011 Location: Birmingham, AL Status: Offline Points: 147	Post Options Post Reply Quote schwammy Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Automag III 9mm Win Mag Posted: 26 Dec 2011 at 1:52am
	Because I like the obscure, I am looking to put together one of these out of my .30 Carbine. The hold-up was getting a barrel bushing. I finally found/acquired one for the .30 and will build-up or remove material as necessary to make it work. I will purchase the barrel soon, but wanted to get a head start. Does any one have one where they can measure the ID of the bushing? Or better yet, still have the design/specs? Thanks,

Luc V. Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 09 Mar 2008 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 1433	Post Options Post Reply Quote Luc V. Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 26 Dec 2011 at 9:30am
	I played with that idea some time as well, but we had a discussion earlier about this subject with another member here. If I remember correct, the other person sold or returned the parts before starting to work on the change. Of course, everything is possible, but it wil take alot of work. Many things are different between the 9MM magnum and the .30. Couple I remember are the breechface of the slide, the size of the barrel locking lugs, but most important is the 'curve' in the barrelblock (where the slidecatch goes trough). This 'curve' is what makes the timing correct to unlock the barrel from the slide. All of this is much different between the 9 and the .30. Also the magazines are different. I still have one 9MM mag and can assure you they don't work in the .30 Do a search on this forum for 9MM Magnum, and you will find more info with pictures. Just my 2ct, but good luck with your challenge.

schwammy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List R.I.P. Joined: 19 Apr 2011 Location: Birmingham, AL Status: Offline Points: 147	Post Options Post Reply Quote schwammy Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 26 Dec 2011 at 9:52pm
	Thanks, I have a line up on procuring a slide, but didn't think about the magazine. (Duh!) Are you saying the mag for the 9mm will not even fit into the frame from a .30? That would put the kabosh on my entire plan of a 'convertible'.

Luc V. Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 09 Mar 2008 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 1433	Post Options Post Reply Quote Luc V. Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 Dec 2011 at 9:35am
	The magazine will fit inside the frame of the AMT III. However, the feedlips and follower are not the same for the 9MM Mag. Not the biggest problem to adjust the lips and replace follower (if you can find one or make your own), other things will be a bigger challenge.

XP001 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Callahan's Auto Mag Joined: 02 Jan 2012 Status: Offline Points: 588	Post Options Post Reply Quote XP001 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 02 Jan 2012 at 6:57am
	Not to sound like I'm bashing your idea, BUT why don't you buy a 9mmWinMag? I know they are rare but the .30 isn't a common thing either. I wouldn't take the chance trying to change it when there are some 9's out there. Can you explain, maybe you just want a project? plz take no offense, I just wanted to know. Thanks

schwammy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List R.I.P. Joined: 19 Apr 2011 Location: Birmingham, AL Status: Offline Points: 147	Post Options Post Reply Quote schwammy Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 02 Jan 2012 at 8:12pm
	Kind of a project, mostly for kicks. There are a few out there for sale now and again, and that would give me all I need. Thought about it. I'm in no hurry.

Mohillbilly Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List International Auto Mag Joined: 27 Jul 2008 Location: Arnold Mo. Status: Offline Points: 54	Post Options Post Reply Quote Mohillbilly Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 Jan 2012 at 10:20pm
	Back in the day I had a defect in my .30 carbine barrel so sent it back for a warrenty replacement . I got the smith on the phone and discussed the idea of make/fitting a whole slide/ upper in 9 mm mag. If I remember right it cost about $200 , so I told him to go ahead . The whole pistol was sent in so he could do that . BUT Duha , I should have had him make the upper in 10 mm mag as well (handle is the same ). I also ordered a few extra mags as the smith said 9 mm mag were the same as the .30 carbine and they are .... AND it all works...

XP001 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Callahan's Auto Mag Joined: 02 Jan 2012 Status: Offline Points: 588	Post Options Post Reply Quote XP001 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 Jan 2012 at 10:40pm
	The Automag III did the 30Carbine and 9mmWinMag only, the Automag IV did the 45WinMag and the 10mmMag. I'm not sure that frame would take the 10mmMag otherwise they might have used it to begin with and not the Automag IV frame. I'm NOT saying it can't work as I didn't check the measurements of them different frames. Maybe pressure and other things also account for using the Automag IV frame also. I not much of a tinker person and perfer to use/buy what was made when avail. verses trying to make something that MAY be dangerous in the long run. I'm always known for overbuilding stuff but don't want a chuck of metal in my hands so that why I buy factory.

Mohillbilly Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List International Auto Mag Joined: 27 Jul 2008 Location: Arnold Mo. Status: Offline Points: 54	Post Options Post Reply Quote Mohillbilly Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 Jan 2012 at 10:50pm
	My .30/9mm is factory . I also belive the slide for 10 mm mag will fit , because the same frame/handle was used for the .30 ,9mm mag , .45 Winmag, and 10 mm mag . slides ect are different .

XP001 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Callahan's Auto Mag Joined: 02 Jan 2012 Status: Offline Points: 588	Post Options Post Reply Quote XP001 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 Jan 2012 at 1:46am
	Never know that the frames were the same. Now I'll have to go pull mine out and check that for my future ref., i'll post my results.