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    Posted: 24 Aug 2012 at 12:40pm
Is it true that Larry Grossman was the designer of the later Automags?

If so, has he written anything about it?


I was outraged when I first saw an "Automag II", disgusted when I saw an "Automag III", and dismissed the IV and V as overhyped 1911 variants. How dare they put that name on something that wasn't a "real Auto Mag?"

Much later I found out they were all interesting guns in their own right, which is what I deserve for getting up on my high horse and riding off on it...

If you think information is sparse for the Auto Mag, try finding information for the Automags.

I still haven't looked too closely at the II or III, but the AM-IV/V is definitely *not* a 1911 variant, however much it looks like one. Internally, it has similarities to an S&W autoloader and a Browning Hi-Power, but it is, as far as I can tell, an original design.
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Larry was involved and critical to the design of most of them but not all. He has not wrtten anything formally about them that I know of.
 
He is stilled involved with a firearms manufacturer but has, for the most part, moved on with his life and is not overly fascinated with AMT / iAi or Auto Mags. He will, on occasion, do some Automag restoration for those that he chooses to deal with and when he has the time. He has other passions like cars and motorcycles and is very active physically but does not follow the Auto Mag and such and is not reader of this site.
 
As I recall, he still remains close to Nadine and Walter.
 
I suspect we would here from him as a contributor to a book on AMT since has has a relationship with Bert., however that effort, as Bert has stated, would be as monumental as the Auto Mag Book and at this time Bert has no plans to produce one. Berts AMT collection is as extensive as the Auto Mag collection and no less costly (remember the 440 corbon automag for sale on Gunbroker)
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TRX 302, I know exactly how you felt as I felt the same way and still do. Larry G. I consider a personal friend and have impossed on him for AM info 4-5 years ago, but know his situation and his feelings so try not to bother him. When he worked for Harry it was almost a brother type relationship and after Harry's passing I believe was when Larry lost all interest in AM's it wasn't gunwork to Larry but his life. He is a family man and his personal time means more to him than screwing with a bunch of wannabees that are just now trying to learn something of the AM's....Most can't appreciate the quality of Larrys work. He is a master of the first order and only does gun work for those that can appreciate his quality. and or appreciate the quality of his work. A man's man. He did a ton of work for Harry outside of the AM shop, NASA type work on items Larry built and the specs written around Larry's prototype much of it Top Secret stuff. A NATURAL BORN MECHANIC, SELF TAUGHT MASTER TOOL MAKER TYPE. Enough of that....
Larry. Yea, there are a few around like him but they are a dying breed as a tool maker is in a class by himself.  Also a gentleman and a scholar. IMNSHO  Cheers      SmileSmileSmile
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Originally posted by TRX302 TRX302 wrote:

Is it true that Larry Grossman was the designer of the later Automags?

If so, has he written anything about it?


I was outraged when I first saw an "Automag II", disgusted when I saw an "Automag III", and dismissed the IV and V as overhyped 1911 variants. How dare they put that name on something that wasn't a "real Auto Mag?"

Much later I found out they were all interesting guns in their own right, which is what I deserve for getting up on my high horse and riding off on it...

If you think information is sparse for the Auto Mag, try finding information for the Automags.

I still haven't looked too closely at the II or III, but the AM-IV/V is definitely *not* a 1911 variant, however much it looks like one. Internally, it has similarities to an S&W autoloader and a Browning Hi-Power, but it is, as far as I can tell, an original design.
 
Larry solely designed the AMII thru the AMV. I was there for most of it. I remember his prototype AMII which looked nothing like his end result. The ported gas system in the AMII is his idea alone, a variant he came up with based on the Grendell fluted chamber design. The angle of the handle in all of his guns, the magazine, throat, feadramp, etc was a critical part of Larry's designs due to his need of feeding long cases into a short action handgun. Like Lee, I too have always held Larry in the highest regards for his work and his ability to achieve the tasks he has himself achieved. He also designed the On Duty .40 cal which was probably the finest gun AMT ever built. But the Anti-Hi Capacity bill killed it almost immediately after the introduction. The frame was CNC machined from solid 6061-T6 aluminum billet, unheard of at the time for production firearms.
 
Larry was such a pleasure to work with. He was a fine boss and "one of the guys" who relied on all of us to do our task and never looked over our shoulder. He taught me a great deal about semi-auto firearms design, function and manufacturing. I too am a machinsit/toolmaker going on 35 years of experience in the trade and I owe at least half of what I know to Larry's willingness to share with me his knowledge of firearms engineering. Harry's passing effected all of us at the factory because we were like family. He took me under his wing and treated me well. LaDean, Harry's private secretary probably took it the hardest. But I agree with Lee that Larry lost a surrogate dad that day and AMT pretty much died with him. Larry's interest went away quickly after his passing. He has always been a family man and is very private now. Hope this helps. Confused
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