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Originally posted by XP001 XP001 wrote:

Can't tell by that little picture how nice the finish is or isn't on your piece but remember the barrel front site is not factory and a true collector won't touch it, not saying it isn't nice but not factory knocks it out of that catagory , so my opinion is to enjoy it however you like without worry of losing more value than what it is, a nice piece. I also think the front of the barrel/site was cut/ground down to clean up the crown. I say this because of the front site block shows it being shorter than any others compared to it. 
If you look around there are still a few unfired pieces out there, a few years ago I got a Pasadena unfired. Sorry sold it already as other projects came up and I didn't have the time for playing with it. So ENJOY however you like without worry. 

Hi Scott , are you referring to this image ? 
I haven't touched this front site ever & it came with that decal it's been mine since 1974....or there  about...Confused   
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Originally posted by XP001 XP001 wrote:

Can't tell by that little picture how nice the finish is or isn't on your piece but remember the barrel front site is not factory and a true collector won't touch it, not saying it isn't nice but not factory knocks it out of that catagory , so my opinion is to enjoy it however you like without worry of losing more value than what it is, a nice piece. I also think the front of the barrel/site was cut/ground down to clean up the crown. I say this because of the front site block shows it being shorter than any others compared to it. 
If you look around there are still a few unfired pieces out there, a few years ago I got a Pasadena unfired. Sorry sold it already as other projects came up and I didn't have the time for playing with it. So ENJOY however you like without worry. 


Not sure what barrel you are referring to as not having a factory front site, I think its important to know there were lots of variations in what was "factory"

As such statements like "a true collector won't touch it" and "I also think the front of the barrel/site was cut/ground down to clean up the crown" may or may not be true. 

You cannot say for sure it was cut down and you certainly cannot say what was or was not factory, and any comments about what a true collector will buy is unfounded.  You may not be interested in buying it, but you cant speak for anyone else.

Im not sure anyone here truly qualifies as an Auto Mag expert on what is or is not factory and no one can say what a "true" collector will or will not buy.

Must be channeling LEJ again,,,

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Originally posted by BEEMER1 BEEMER1 wrote:

I do not think that the front site has been modified.  Here are some photos of a "B" 44 VR barrel I own.

It does not have an insert but the contour to me looks the same.  The difference is the way the sight was ct for the insert.







Agreed!

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ok, I slipped up and didn't put "ED" name on my last post and some of you confused what it said with "beemer pic."


I was referring to ED barrel, he stated he was muffed about wheather to shoot his "unfired B pistol" and I was saying he should enjoy it as a collector value it was not because of the altered front sight it had. he should enjoy it as its still a nice pistol and an Auto Mag after all.
Now IF that mod front sight was done by say Lee or another Auto Mag great gunsmith and he had docs on it, well that's another story for sure.


I said he couldn't HURT the value of the pistol as it sits or if it gets shot because of that sight, NOT that it has no value. Collectors, at least every die hard one I know want perfect un mod pieces OR pieces that were mod by known great smiths OR if it was such a small run of that model(which I don't think "B" linage is).


Remember, I speaking as "collecting price because ED was thinking it might hurt it's value if it was shot. Also remember this gun was in a house fire and restored as best it could be BUt that front sight was not factory and what makes me believe this is 2 things. Never seen a fiber "ROD" sight on a Auto Mag, not even sure if they had them back in late 70's, the second thing is BIG! No good smith would cut such bottom flat that is rounded and then opps enough to cut into the "top surface of the RIB" doing it. Now tell me that this could have been done by "FACTORY", NO WAY! 


Yes, I was a collector and have now such sold off my stuff so I have an eye as a collector and know what most people expect a collector that pays well for the best/purist item. Sure there are also other collectors who values would be lower but so will they prices! There are many types of collectors but ED I'm sure was wanting to know or hear if it would hurt his piece if he shot it. I didn't think that would because of the bigger issue with his piece is his front sight issue and that's what I was stating.


I only posted in this thread in reference to EDs' pistol/barrel ONLY "?and refer to my drawings of it I posted to understand what I'm saying.

YES I can say that front sight is NOT factory! I never seen one before and neither did you so don't go saying "It could be". That was a "butcher" job if I ever seen one! You better pick another fight because you aren't going to win that one!

My statement about a true collector is more about price factor than what he would or wouldn't buy, Ed was referring to price value and so was I. A Collector or anybody, even you would buy something if the price is right.

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Originally posted by XP001 XP001 wrote:

YES I can say that front sight is NOT factory! I never seen one before and neither did you so don't go saying It could be. That was a "butcher" job if I ever seen one! You better pick another fight because you aren't going to win that one!

No need to get pissy with me, you are the one making pronouncements about someone else's gun.

And YES I can fight that one and win that one.

The barrel you ARE talking does NOT look shortened to me. Just look at the front most stanchion length, it looks fine to me.

Even if the top portion of the site was a factory botch, its still factory. And that even if, I dont think you are right that no other factory barrel had that sight profile. I feel certain I have a barrel with a similar front site, and if I have to I will dig it out.

I stand by my previous comment, Im not sure anyone here truly qualifies as an Auto Mag expert on what is or is not factory And no one can say what a "true" collector will or will not buy.

Just because you would not be interested in it, or your friends would not be interested in it or any contact you know may not be interested, you have no business telling Ed that no collector would be interested in it. Sorry thats just BS.

I will also disagree that he should shoot it because it wont impact the value. ANYONE worried about impacting the value of their Auto Mag should NOT shoot it.  If it breaks for any reason it will impact the value and no one here or anyone who has looked at it or touched it or had any involvement with it can say with 100% certainty that it will not break. Any Auto Mag can break at any time. Thats the bottom line.

Sorry not looking for a dust up, just not putting up with bad guidance or information to others on the forum.

As they say/I have read here, sorry, not sorry.

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And let me add, that if that site was totally screwed up and unusable, it would be a very simple matter for any qualified machinist to mill that site out and stick a new one in its place and it could be done in such a way that you would be hard pressed to even tell it had been done. 


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Again, I didn't say/mean no collector would not be interested, I said it would have little/no collector value and shooting it as it sits now with the botched site will NOT hurts it's value! Your twisting my words to fit your own thinking, any collector would buy these for the right price! He is not going to get a "collector piece" price as it sits, so why not enjoy what you have. I also said there are NIB/unfired pieces still out ther if he wanted a "collector piece".

Not wanting a dust up?? Yeah right, then your next thing you say is I'm giving "bad guidance" and you just have to say something, give me a break! I give my opinion and stated facts and even drew arrows/lines about what I was stating on his pic and you just go spouting off with your mouth about it could be a factory sight! You are nuts thinking this, so go ahead now and stick to your story so you don't look as xxxxx as you sound now.

This was no "factory botched up" so don't pass that around either. I know that front top surface rib was filed on when this was done and it would not have left factory like that, would you buy a factory gun in that condition and not have them fix it, doubt it, so give that up as Factory!

Yeah, ok lets start if it breaks. Now your just throwing stuff out to show your side but that's ok. Patrick has lots of parts still available if not he has also made some as needed. Have you ever broke one of these during normal shooting if you ever did any at all?!

How many of yours do you shoot? All I ever see is an outdated photo of things you have/had. If you enjoy finger touching your things that's your business. Others do shoot them as they were made to shoot! Your not thinking about his statement that this was just rebuilt by none other than Larry! You think he(Larry) would let it go unsaid if it was in need of fixing, don't think so.

As for collectors, you seem to think you know them all so whatever! I just know it is NOT worth a collector price as it sits, again in my opinion as I stated! Now you think Ed wants to hire a machinist to re-fab that front site back to factory that's another story? Idon't think Ed is going to punish it by pushing hot stuff like they did in the early days either.

You have your opinion and I have mine, It's up to Ed to decide as it's his and I just gave my point of view.


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Scott
Thanks for all your help on this
I only shared the pics because it was Bob that said there were only about 10 made like that and I was wondering if this was one of them
Look at your pic on page 5 first post of this thread, you can see on yours right after the rise of the sight it does a slight sashay then the tip get started, mine is the same except that little sashay is a lot wider than yours and then starts the area that we are talking about.
I didn't know if that was correct, what I put on the front sight, when I got the gun back from Larry it was all done except missing the rear site blade and that insert on the front sight, that's all I knew of  so cut it to length and wallah its done Big smile
I have put this gun against my Pasadena and there both the same length
As far as value, I bought 3 of them so when my day comes all 3 of my kids will get one as a memento 
I was wondering should I shoot it or not, Larry told my FFL this gun was real nice and never shot, I guess I could ask him for clarification if this is factory or not but does it matter, I got this for a fraction of what Automag lists there's for  or on the open market and besides there not for sale.
George.....Your spot on, there are very few so called experts in the Automag world that can call the market, kinda like Billy Ray Valentine in Trading Places
If your happy with your purchase and its goes bang what more do you want
Last question for everyone, does anyone have a spare insert for the front site like in Scott's picture ?????????
PLMK and thanks again
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ED,
You can ask Larry about that sight opening, send him some pics. Of course GH knows more I'm sure anyways.
I'm not sure what you are describing as far as compared to Bob saying only 10 made like that. slight sashay?
As far as you "filling" that front sight gap with fiber rod it looks ok BUT does it work for you? give you good sight picture? I think if you got some solid orange plastic you could "file" your own insert as needed. That is not a "normal factory" insert of anything I know of, it's oversized so that why i said make one from a piece of plastic, make it tight fitting though IF you plan to shoot it.
Enjoy and explain if you can what the question to Bob was as that barrel that start the thread was about the muzzle looks/reduced look I thought and the different sight. Being it's not a ribbed barrel I wouldn't know the sight configs or how many of each type was done, never could remember everything nor did I ever see everything either!
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I see I missed your post as I was making mine
I do have my own mill and would never have thought twice of re machining it myself but that was before this stroke got me, I still might but now I would leave it to friends that are real machinist
Yes my FFL knows Larry personally and he said Larry thought I was lucky for what I got at the price I paid and said it has never been shot so who am I to question either of them
I don't want people getting upset with one another over this, its just an old hunk of stainless called an Automag
I still need your help with that other project we talked about so when your up to it PLMK Wink
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